What is 'science'

[Mr Gray]

What do you think this will prove ?
How will the results of your "wonderings" be applied to deliver a test that is repeatable and reliable with respect to any sniffer dog ?

Why are the dogs tested at all.... What does that prove

It would begin to build a body of evidence that would give an indication of how reliable unconfirmed  alerts are... At the moment there is not really any apart from the tezt that showed handlers cued their dogs

[Robittybob1]

Why are the dogs tested at all.... What does that prove

It would begin to build a body of evidence that would give an indication of how reliable unconfirmed  alerts are... At the moment there is not really any apart from the tezt that showed handlers cued their dogs

Cite please - What text are you talking about?

[Angelo222]

Why are the dogs tested at all.... What does that prove

It would begin to build a body of evidence that would give an indication of how reliable unconfirmed  alerts are... At the moment there is not really any apart from the tezt that showed handlers cued their dogs

Every dog like people have different skills and abilities, no two dogs are ever the same so comparng the abilities of search dogs is like comparing chalk and cheese.  The use of these dogs is well established however within policing and are an extremely valuable tool which science has yet to replicate exactly.

More than eleven years on and attempts are still being made to undermine Grime and Eddie despite the fact that the former made it very clear that the alerts in Portugal had no evidential reliability if uncorroborated.  The alerts exist however and only related to places, clothing and objects with associations to the McCanns. Eddie did not show any interest elsewhere or to objects and clothing associated with others. Given that it was the McCann's child that disappeared I find that fact very revealing.

[Mr Gray]

Every dog like people have different skills and abilities, no two dogs are ever the same so comparng the abilities of search dogs is like comparing chalk and cheese.  The use of these dogs is well established however within policing and are an extremely valuable tool which science has yet to replicate exactly.

So if they can't be tested the alerts have no evidential value

[Angelo222]

So if they can't be tested the alerts have no evidential value

Individual dogs can certainly be tested in order to determine their ability.  Difficulty is though is that these dogs are trained in the UK using different regimes and target scents. A dog used to find only cadavers should be trained only using cadavers and that is still illegal in the UK as far as I am aware.

[G-Unit]

Epidemiology certainly is s tool used to study disease in populations...anaesthesia a branch and a tool

I think epidemiological results are a tool, but epidemiology it self is an activity. However, what other 'tool' was Doll using, which wasn't epidemiology?

[Mr Gray]

I think epidemiological results are a tool, but epidemiology it self is an activity. However, what other 'tool' was Doll using, which wasn't epidemiology?

What do you understand  by epidemiology

[Mr Gray]

Every dog like people have different skills and abilities, no two dogs are ever the same so comparng the abilities of search dogs is like comparing chalk and cheese.  The use of these dogs is well established however within policing and are an extremely valuable tool which science has yet to replicate exactly.

More than eleven years on and attempts are still being made to undermine Grime and Eddie despite the fact that the former made it very clear that the alerts in Portugal had no evidential reliability if uncorroborated.  The alerts exist however and only related to places, clothing and objects with associations to the McCanns. Eddie did not show any interest elsewhere or to objects and clothing associated with others. Given that it was the McCann's child that disappeared I find that fact very revealing.

And I've given  a very good explanation as to why the dogs alerted only to things McCann... Which was to a certain extent confirmed by the test  posted recently

[G-Unit]

What do you understand  by epidemiology

Epidemiology is the study of disease in human populations. The results are used as the basis of what is called evidence-based medicine and to try to improve public health.

[Mr Gray]

Epidemiology is the study of disease in human populations. The results are used as the basis of what is called evidence-based medicine and to try to improve public health.

so your definition would include what factors affect a disease in a population

[Mr Gray]

What do you think this will prove ?
How will the results of your "wonderings" be applied to deliver a test that is repeatable and reliable with respect to any sniffer dog ?

It would depend on the results of the tests..

[Alice Purjorick]

It would depend on the results of the tests..

You are beginning to sound like the old saw about Cristoforo Colombo.
When he set out he didn't know where he was going.
When he arrived there he didn't know where he was.
When he returned he didn't know where he had been.
For the rest of his life swore he had been somewhere else.

[Mr Gray]

You are beginning to sound like the old saw about Cristoforo Colombo.
When he set out he didn't know where he was going.
When he arrived there he didn't know where he was.
When he returned he didn't know where he had been.
For the rest of his life swore he had been somewhere else.

You asked me to suggest a design for  test....I said it was  a waste of time and i would show you it was a waste of time...you have just proved it..

[Mr Gray]

It would depend on the results of the tests..

so alice wants to suggest the results of such a test would ptove nothing...


if the dogs involved scored 99% accuracy would that prove nothing

if they scored 25% accuracy would that prove nothing...I would say it would

[G-Unit]

so your definition would include what factors affect a disease in a population

Which are extremely difficult to identify and evaluate. The warning signs of the damage caused by traffic emissions were there in the 1950's, but have taken a long time to be acknowledged.