Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Robittybob1]

The only reason Murat was even considered was because Tanner pointed him out from 3 metres away - pretty compelling eye witness testimony that any police force in history would be remiss if they didn't take seriously. So let's not paint it as something it wasn't.

I'd also like to see where you got the "Tanner pointed him out from 3 metres away" bit from.  Cite please.

[ShiningInLuz]

Are you sure that you have got that right? 

I thought that they became interested because a newspaper reporter thought him odd, or something like that.

Anyone remember?

Lori Campbell, from memory.

[G-Unit]

When did Amaral settle on a 'woke and wandered' theory?

My opinion is that he was looking for a quick prosecution not so much to settle what happened to Madeleine but to deflect from his upcoming prosecution in a torture trial.

His first bite at the cherry was Murat.

When that didn't pan out he reverted to the tried and tested 'the parents dunnit' ... and that didn't pan out for him either.


It amazes me that you were not aware of the chain of command followed which ensured the input of the Portuguese Attorney General to the archiving process ... from police reports > to prosecutors > ultimately to the Attorney General who made the decision to archive until new evidence might be found ... particularly in such a high profile case such as Madeleine's ...
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"In an order issued today ... the investigation into the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann has been halted because no evidence was discovered of any crime committed by the suspects," Attorney-General Fernando Pinto Monteiro's office said.

It said the investigation could be reopened "if new evidence emerges from any serious, pertinent and authoritative" source.
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/madeleine-search-shelved-by-portuguese-police-1-1081355

As part of the legal process the archiving document was issued by the Attorney General's Office ... once he had considered the evidence presented by the police and prosecutors which he used to form his decision.
If you remember ... you made entirely the wrong assumption regarding my posts ... and the relevance of my post is in correcting that.


However ... I do not recall even newspaper talk let alone a police investigation based on a woke and wandered theory being developed at any time in 2007.

The Attorney General announced the archiving of the investigation on 21st July 2008. The Archiving document was signed by the Prosecutors on 21st July 2008. So either the Attorney General examined everything before it was finished or he just accepted what had been written and issued the announcement. You may believe he "considered the evidence" but there's no evidence that he did imo.

The Portuguese police spent a week searching for a child who may have woke and wandered.

[Brietta]

The only reason Murat was even considered was because Tanner pointed him out from 3 metres away - pretty compelling eye witness testimony that any police force in history would be remiss if they didn't take seriously. So let's not paint it as something it wasn't.

Please provide a cite for that, please.

[The General]

Please provide a cite for that, please.

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[G-Unit]

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That "disgraced, bungling, fat, lying, incompetent" and non-libelling retired policeman said in his book that
Jane Tanner identified Murat as the man she saw on 3rd May carrying a child.

[The General]

That "disgraced, bungling, fat, lying, incompetent" and non-libelling retired policeman said in his book that
Jane Tanner identified Murat as the man she saw on 3rd May carrying a child.

...and the identification event  on the 13th with Bobby Small et al was corroborated by Jane herself in her rogatory statement.
Then amazingly Murat is made Arguido 2 days later.

[Miss Taken Identity]

That should be deleted really.

Yes, I agree.

The woke and wandered theory is the best version if an abduction is to be accepted. The reason I believe the parents and the tapas can't be having this is because they didn't check the children as often as they claimed and on that night MBM disappeared, the parents would have been hounded for leaving a door open for her to run out to danger or someone to walk in and bring danger.  Thus, the parents facilitating a horror story for their daughter - ruining their reputation- ultimately, they lost their daughter but kept their reputation.

THIS is my opinion and belief. AND the last sentence is very true!

[Erngath]

The Attorney General announced the archiving of the investigation on 21st July 2008. The Archiving document was signed by the Prosecutors on 21st July 2008. So either the Attorney General examined everything before it was finished or he just accepted what had been written and issued the announcement. You may believe he "considered the evidence" but there's no evidence that he did imo.

The Portuguese police spent a week searching for a child who may have woke and wandered.

And if she had woke and wandered, are you suggesting they should not have looked for a week?
Is that really a fact that they only looked for a week?

[ShiningInLuz]

And if she had woke and wandered, are you suggesting they should not have looked for a week?
Is that really a fact that they only looked for a week?

For how long should they have searched?

A month?

All the way to Lisbon?

[Erngath]

For how long should they have searched?

A month?

All the way to Lisbon?

More than a week?
I would have thought so.

Possibly less than a month?
Probably!

Not all the way to Lisbon.

[Miss Taken Identity]

For how long should they have searched?

A month?

All the way to Lisbon?

The parents were not searching they were jogging.blogging setting up a company to get money for legal fees and then  the travelling to meet and greet.

If Maddie was abducted, by any means where does one search? AND for how long? The McCANNS made it a global search FGS. How stupid was that!

[ShiningInLuz]

More than a week?
I would have thought so.

Possibly less than a month?
Probably!

Not all the way to Lisbon.

Thank you.

I hope to one day talk to the then Major Sequira, who coordinated searches out to a 15km radius from Luz.

Come and walk the walk.  Bring strong boots

[sadie]

More than a week?
I would have thought so.

Possibly less than a month?
Probably!

Not all the way to Lisbon.

It would have been better to have looked in Porto imo

With all the sightings in that area and en route.  Sightings that all seem to have been dismissed by Amaral.  I wonder why ? It really intrigues me that Portimao PJ chose to rewrite the original and dismiss the Processos written on the spot in Porto at the time. 
 
Additionally the Portimao replacement Processos had  a series of factual mistakes in it.  I actually physically  went there and checked it all out

Why did they chose to rewrite Processos 809?   

It is all on this forum if you want more detail.

[Robittybob1]

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Well I hope so, for that must just about be a record for 3 people to ask for a cite to prove the same claim!