Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[John]

Hardly.  There was no crying or disturbance.  What was he supposed to be looking for?

I always wondered about this 9.30pm alleged listening at the children's bedroom window. IMO had there been someone lurking about intent upon mischief they would have been scared off by all these movements of the various members of the tapas group.

[Eleanor]

Park in the well lit, communal car park, walk in through the front door without a key.....or somehow, for reasons only known to themselves, pry the window.
Or.......park adjacent to the gate, by a dimly lit passage that is shrouded in foliage and is kerb side to the gate, pointing down hill.

The car park wasn't well lit at the time, and covered in trees.  The front door is in a hidden recess.

The lighting was added much later.

[The General]

Out of the two,the second is most plausible imo.

Well I would have thought so. But because this doesn't chime with the window nonsense, it sort of hamstrings the whole abduction theory. This apparently well organised, well equipped abduction team decide to use the most convoluted method of extraction going.

[The General]

I always wondered about this 9.30pm alleged listening at the children's bedroom window. IMO had there been someone lurking about intent upon mischief they would have been scared off by all these movements of the various members of the tapas group.

Indeed. They would have been deterred by this robust checking process, undoubtedly.
They'd have seen all sorts of characters coming and going and called the thing off.

[barrier]

He didn't expect that Madeleine would have been abducted.  How very silly of him.

A sceptic at 9-30 on the night.Way ahead of the curve.

[The General]

The car park wasn't well lit at the time, and covered in trees.  The front door is in a hidden recess.

The lighting was added much later.

Let's factor that in. Even with these dimly lit conditions, is it more secluded and dimly lit than the back passage (oo err). Then consider the LOCKED front door, as opposed to the very UNLOCKED back door.
Not even a fully subscribed idiot would pull a car up to the front door and either reverse in or reverse out....that would be insane. Sidle up to the side entrance though.......

[Vertigo Swirl]

Let's pack it all in then and post about the texture of the scones in the cafe at M&S.
You might have 'done all this before', but I haven't.

I will labour the point one more time, though. Why would Jimmy pass her through a window when he could just walk out of the door? What's the point? The window is 2 feet from the door on the same elevation.

Perhaps the abductor didn’t want to risk bumping into anyone coming in via the patio doors and felt safer using the window in the room.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Indeed. They would have been deterred by this robust checking process, undoubtedly.
They'd have seen all sorts of characters coming and going and called the thing off.

Not if they had been observing the pattern all week.

[barrier]

Let's pack it all in then and post about the texture of the scones in the cafe at M&S.
You might have 'done all this before', but I haven't.

I will labour the point one more time, though. Why would Jimmy pass her through a window when he could just walk out of the door? What's the point? The window is 2 feet from the door on the same elevation.

Perhaps the abductor didn’t want to risk bumping into anyone coming in via the patio doors and felt safer using the window in the room.

Why use the window when the front door was available.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why use the window when the front door was available.

How do you get to the front door from the kids bedroom?

[barrier]

How do you get to the front door from the kids bedroom?

Out the bedroom door,and hang a left,exits on the same level does it not.


Photo 1.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_PHOTO_REPORT.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

Out the bedroom door,and hang a left,exits on the same level does it not.


Photo 1.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_PHOTO_REPORT.htm

Yeah, so like I said coming out of the bedroom into the hall and you may risk coming face to face with a parent entering via the patio doors on their way to check on the kids.

[The General]

Perhaps the abductor didn’t want to risk bumping into anyone coming in via the patio doors and felt safer using the window in the room.

....but risk being extremely conspicuous by passing a child out of the window? In terms of risk reduction, surely using the conventional methods of egress would be less conspicuous, as an abductor?
And as I've said, if we assume they are not 3 parts mad to get to this point, who would choose to not simply walk out of either door, at least one of which is super secluded?

[The General]

Yeah, so like I said coming out of the bedroom into the hall and you may risk coming face to face with a parent entering via the patio doors on their way to check on the kids.

So why not lock it then from the inside then? It would really encumber someone for about 30 seconds.

[Vertigo Swirl]

....but risk being extremely conspicuous by passing a child out of the window? In terms of risk reduction, surely using the conventional methods of egress would be less conspicuous, as an abductor?
And as I've said, if we assume they are not 3 parts mad to get to this point, who would choose to not simply walk out of either door, at least one of which is super secluded?

Would passing the child out of the window have been more conspicuous than leaving the apartment from either door carrying the child?  I don’t see why.  The window was shielded from view by foliage and not lit.