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Offline The General

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1275 on: June 08, 2019, 08:38:19 PM »
The longer the interval between Madeleine's disappearance being discovered the more space an abductor would have to get clear before the alarm was raised.

No point in leaving the red flag of an open door to advertise their presence unnecessarily.  With any luck Madeleine might not have been discovered missing until the morning giving more time  and distance.
In the event, they did it as successfully as they did everything else within close margins. IMO
I agree with attempting to leave no red flags, but our Jimmy and his accomplices have the checking regime down remember. They will have an idea of the time scales. If Jimmy exists.
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Offline The General

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1276 on: June 08, 2019, 08:46:58 PM »
I get the feeling you haven't had to do burglaries or associated with burglars in you younger days.
True, not every burglary is perpetrated by Raffles the Gentleman Cat Burglar.
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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1277 on: June 08, 2019, 08:59:37 PM »
Would an abductor know the front door can't be closed behind them? Why would they even care?

Quite agree, getting in was easy(patio door),so go out the easy way,unlocked patio door simples.Or as I ventured Madeleine left of her own accord after a burglar left the front door open.
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Offline barrier

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1278 on: June 08, 2019, 09:03:37 PM »
The longer the interval between Madeleine's disappearance being discovered the more space an abductor would have to get clear before the alarm was raised.

No point in leaving the red flag of an open door to advertise their presence unnecessarily.  With any luck Madeleine might not have been discovered missing until the morning giving more time  and distance.
In the event, they did it as successfully as they did everything else within close margins. IMO

There was supposed to be a red flag of a window open,a open door would be the same,if one is viable both are,if one is not viable then neither are.Imo and all that jazz.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1279 on: June 08, 2019, 09:14:20 PM »
I agree with attempting to leave no red flags, but our Jimmy and his accomplices have the checking regime down remember. They will have an idea of the time scales. If Jimmy exists.

The time scales were on a knife edge.

My impression is that Kate and Gerry's visits were at regular timed intervals and therefore easy for Jimmy the Abductor to factor in to his or her plan.
But Jimmy the Abductor would have noticed the more erratic movements of the other two couples with no precise measurement of timings between visits.  That irregularity was no doubt factored into Jimmy the Abductor's strategy, because it was a very high risk strategy.

For example ... had Jes not stopped to speak with Gerry ... there is a high probability he would have had a face to face encounter with Jimmy the Abductor leaving 5A grounds.
Subsequently in combination with Jane's description ... that might have been enough to lead directly to him and to Madeleine.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1280 on: June 08, 2019, 09:24:40 PM »
There was supposed to be a red flag of a window open,a open door would be the same,if one is viable both are,if one is not viable then neither are.Imo and all that jazz.

In my opinion ... not at all.

It is entirely possible that the open window could have been missed if the same conditions had not been in place that were there when Kate was alerted by the curtains whooshing

But paramount is that no-one who was not Jimmy the Abductor knows exactly what went on that night.  Which if either door was entered or exited through.  Or why the window was open and the shutter up ... ingress or egress ... and why it was left up.
From inside it would have taken seconds to sort it ... maybe not so easy from outside though.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1281 on: June 08, 2019, 09:28:40 PM »
Quite agree, getting in was easy(patio door),so go out the easy way,unlocked patio door simples.Or as I ventured Madeleine left of her own accord after a burglar left the front door open.
Madeleine is just as capable of opening the front door as any burglar might.  So how does your "burglar" get in?  Through the window or the patio door.  He seems to take nothing.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1282 on: June 08, 2019, 09:30:23 PM »
There was supposed to be a red flag of a window open,a open door would be the same,if one is viable both are,if one is not viable then neither are.Imo and all that jazz.
They are not the same Madeleine is capable of opening doors but not the window and the shutter IMO.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1283 on: June 08, 2019, 09:30:53 PM »
The time scales were on a knife edge.

My impression is that Kate and Gerry's visits were at regular timed intervals and therefore easy for Jimmy the Abductor to factor in to his or her plan.
But Jimmy the Abductor would have noticed the more erratic movements of the other two couples with no precise measurement of timings between visits.  That irregularity was no doubt factored into Jimmy the Abductor's strategy, because it was a very high risk strategy.

For example ... had Jes not stopped to speak with Gerry ... there is a high probability he would have had a face to face encounter with Jimmy the Abductor leaving 5A grounds.
Subsequently in combination with Jane's description ... that might have been enough to lead directly to him and to Madeleine.

But on the 3rd Gerry didn’t come back to approx 9.15 and Kate got up to check at 9.30. That’s not very regular if the rest of the nights they’d been checking every half hour.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1284 on: June 08, 2019, 09:33:31 PM »
The time scales were on a knife edge.

My impression is that Kate and Gerry's visits were at regular timed intervals and therefore easy for Jimmy the Abductor to factor in to his or her plan.
But Jimmy the Abductor would have noticed the more erratic movements of the other two couples with no precise measurement of timings between visits.  That irregularity was no doubt factored into Jimmy the Abductor's strategy, because it was a very high risk strategy.

For example ... had Jes not stopped to speak with Gerry ... there is a high probability he would have had a face to face encounter with Jimmy the Abductor leaving 5A grounds.
Subsequently in combination with Jane's description ... that might have been enough to lead directly to him and to Madeleine.

So how long does he need to look to establish they were regular intervals.  When did the observations start?
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1285 on: June 08, 2019, 09:38:07 PM »
IMO an abductor would not have raised those noisy shutters. On a quiet night with regular checks and sleeping children it was extremely high risk and would have wasted precious time they did not have!

Dianne Webster found the shutters down 5 minutes after the alarm was raised. She was the one who tried to raise them and got them stuck as seen in crime scene photos. They usually fall straight back down unless they got twisted and stuck!






Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1286 on: June 08, 2019, 09:39:42 PM »
So how long does he need to look to establish they were regular intervals.  When did the observations start?

I do not have a firm opinion on that ... I have seen some say they think it could have been on booking arrangements being made ... others on arrival.
I think the location might have been the initial focal point ... and the opportunity taken when it arose.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1287 on: June 08, 2019, 09:43:01 PM »
IMO an abductor would not have raised those noisy shutters. On a quiet night with regular checks and sleeping children it was extremely high risk and would have wasted precious time they did not have!

Dianne Webster found the shutters down 5 minutes after the alarm was raised. She was the one who tried to raise them and got them stuck as seen in crime scene photos. They usually fall straight back down unless they got twisted and stuck!


What would have been unusual about shutter noise in a village of properties where all the windows are covered with shutters?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1288 on: June 08, 2019, 09:44:44 PM »
IMO an abductor would not have raised those noisy shutters. On a quiet night with regular checks and sleeping children it was extremely high risk and would have wasted precious time they did not have!

Dianne Webster found the shutters down 5 minutes after the alarm was raised. She was the one who tried to raise them and got them stuck as seen in crime scene photos. They usually fall straight back down unless they got twisted and stuck!





Balderdash!
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Offline The General

Re: Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.
« Reply #1289 on: June 08, 2019, 09:59:12 PM »
What would have been unusual about shutter noise in a village of properties where all the windows are covered with shutters?
True, nothing. But opening them from the outside would be odd. Plus Jimmy would surely be trying to mitigate noise. Why raise the shutters when he could silently slide an unlocked patio door to one side?
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