Seems woke and wandered back in favour again.

[Robittybob1]

Somebody desperate to distance a body from 5A, whatever the risk, perhaps

The topic is woke and wandered, so any abductor is not distancing himself  from 5A but rather the point of abduction.

[sadie]

Even less of a reason to choose this apartment,only one way out if some one came along.

No,
There is a drop over the end wall into the street below.  This is the street that Jane walked up and Gerry and Jez chatted in.   Quite a drop, which some people would blanch at the thought of doing, but a younger fit man could do it fairly easily.  As a kid I was almost fearless and I could have done it.

Also  there is the escape thru 5A and exit via the patio doors on the pool side.

And then a fit younger man would easily scramble over the pathway main wall and be out of sight because of the buildings and be out of sight of anyone coming along the other end of the path or exiting thei tapases communal Hall.  This is because of the bend in the building wall blocking the view.


Absolutely perfect place to make an entry via that deeply recessed very very dark front door, which no one passes.  With the added advantage that there were escape routes galore.

Oh and lets not forget that the front door light was broken.  Pitch black, hidden away, no-ne passed and easy escape if needed.  Trees to hide in adjacent.  Poor street lighting, low output, with the lamps  actually hidden in the heads of the trees.


The front door was used and a key was the method of entry imo

IMO, the emphasis has been ?deliberately taken away from an abductor via the front door, because it points to someone with OC connections.   Staff?  ... or ?   Is someone being protected?  If so, by whom ?

But perhaps I am wrong?


All in my opinion

Now I have to go.  Soz

[sadie]

I know what the walkway outside the McCann's apartment looks like, but I have yet to see a photo showing the position of the entrance to 5B  in relation to that walkway.
Where is the door that Matt entered to check his apartment?  Maybe it is on the dog video!

It comes from within the communal hallway that I described, Rob.  All the tapas front doors appear to come from here or the first floor flat comes vis the staircase which starts in the Communal Hall downstairs.

I have not personally checked the doorways but common sense tells me that.  There are images on the internet showing some of the doors, I believe, but I'm sorry, I am not searching.

[Robittybob1]

It comes from within the communal hallway that I described, Rob.  All the tapas front doors appear to come from here or the first floor flat comes vis the staircase which starts in the Communal Hall downstairs.

I have not personally checked the doorways but common sense tells me that.  There are images on the internet showing some of the doors, I believe, but I'm sorry, I am not searching.

I hope that one day I'll go there and see for myself.

[sadie]

Over which road - 5A is on a junction.

Would this vantage point give views of both doors simultaneously ?

The Balcony opposite is the likely watching spot imo.

YES THIS BALCONY HAS VIEWS OF ANYONE IMMEDIATELY IN FRONT OF BOTH of the DOORS


The balcony with the fag ends on it has view points of anyone going in or out of 5A.   


It also looks straight into the main living room of 5A, from which both front door and back (poolside ) patio door open.




It has an amazing view point in other ways too. 


And fabulous facility to exit via the back gate straight into the little car park (Opposite Tapas Reception) where I believe the get away vehicle was parked.


Yet because of a wing of the block in his building sticking out and blocking his view, a watcher there couldn't see Gerry and Jez chatting.


All this is fact and has been thoroughly gone over before.


It is my opinion that the front door of 5A was unlocked using a key and Madeleine exited in her abductors arms via that same front door.



Everything points to that method imo.  But who supplied the key ?  Or how was a key obtained?  Was someone at OC involved?  Is someone hiding that person?

WHO ?

[sadie]

I hope that one day I'll go there and see for myself.

I hope so too, Rob

i hope that everyone that has spent so many hours on this case gets the opportunity to go and see for themselves.  You all deserve it (the genuine ones of whichever side)

[sadie]

No,
There is a drop over the end wall into the street below.  This is the street that Jane walked up and Gerry and Jez chatted in.   Quite a drop, which some people would blanch at the thought of doing, but a younger fit man could do it fairly easily.  As a kid I was almost fearless and I could have done it.


Also  there is the escape thru 5A and exit via the patio doors on the pool side.


And then a fit younger man would easily scramble over the pathway main wall and be out of sight because of the buildings and be out of sight of anyone coming along the other end of the path or exiting thei tapases communal Hall.  This is because of the bend in the building wall blocking the view.



Absolutely perfect place to make an entry via that deeply recessed very very dark front door, which no one passes.  With the added advantage that there were escape routes galore.


Oh and lets not forget that the front door light was broken.  Pitch black, hidden away, no-ne passed and easy escape if needed.  Trees to hide in adjacent.  Poor street lighting, low output, with the lamps  actually hidden in the heads of the trees.



The front door was used and a key was the method of entry imo


IMO, the emphasis has been ?deliberately taken away from an abductor via the front door, because it points to someone with OC connections.   Staff?  ... or ?   Is someone being protected?  If so, by whom ?


But perhaps I am wrong?




All in my opinion

Now I have to go.  Soz

Why no interest in my description, Barrier?.  I have put in a lot of work for you and others ignorant of the FACTS.

Do you still think that no abductor would use the Front door?

Please put your case if you think that.

[G-Unit]

Why no interest in my description, Barrier?.  I have put in a lot of work for you and others ignorant of the FACTS.

Do you still think that no abductor would use the Front door?

Please put your case if you think that.

There are facts in there; the trees, the broken light, the recessed front door. Everything else is speculation.

[barrier]

Why no interest in my description, Barrier?.  I have put in a lot of work for you and others ignorant of the FACTS.

Do you still think that no abductor would use the Front door?

Please put your case if you think that.

I wasn't aware every post as to be answered,you have an opinion of what happened and describe the environment in your theory which could make it possible,thats it.If and its a big big if an abductor were to be the outcome,the logical way would be a door,why use a window and a shutter, thats two things to be opened when a single perfectly operational door is available which opens into a well hidden recess,the one you surmise was used to gain entry.Just as easily Madeleine could have walked out the same door all on her lonesome.

[The General]

Why no interest in my description, Barrier?.  I have put in a lot of work for you and others ignorant of the FACTS.

Do you still think that no abductor would use the Front door?

Please put your case if you think that.

A key? Why would this 'fit young man' need to use the front door when the back door was open?
Rule 1 of housebreaking - check the frickin door isn't already open.

[Erngath]

There are facts in there; the trees, the broken light, the recessed front door. Everything else is speculation.

Amaral's theory had speculation in it.
Most theories do.

[G-Unit]

A key? Why would this 'fit young man' need to use the front door when the back door was open?
Rule 1 of housebreaking - check the frickin door isn't already open.

According to Sadie those dim, low output street lights became much brighter round the corner. The one opposite the gate to 5A bathed the balcony in light.  Coupled with the 'fact' that the balcony could be seen from the Tapas restaurant the abductor(s) decided to stay away from that route.

Rachael and Matthew, of couse, said they couldn't see the balcony, as did Joseph Moura. The bright street light seemed to have dimmed sigificantly by the time the PJ got there too.

[The General]

According to Sadie those dim, low output street lights became much brighter round the corner. The one opposite the gate to 5A bathed the balcony in light.  Coupled with the 'fact' that the balcony could be seen from the Tapas restaurant the abductor(s) decided to stay away from that route.

Rachael and Matthew, of couse, said they couldn't see the balcony, as did Joseph Moura. The bright street light seemed to have dimmed sigificantly by the time the PJ got there too.

I've said it before, irrespective of, you know, getting a free pass at the patio door, this is the optimal route for Jimmy. Any Jimmy / burglar operating with even elementary faculties would use this route. Any burglar in the history of domesticity would try the back passage as a rule.

[Wonderfulspam]

I've said it before, irrespective of, you know, getting a free pass at the patio door, this is the optimal route for Jimmy. Any Jimmy / burglar operating with even elementary faculties would use this route. Any burglar in the history of domesticity would try the back passage as a rule.

Jimmy took care to close the gate, child gate, door & curtain behind him.
He was a fastidious man, our Jimmy.

[Wonderfulspam]

In the front door, into bedroom, pick Maddie up, back out the front door with her. 
About 15 seconds I recon.