Jeremy Bamber changes his story about the timing of the call to Julie

[John]

On the morning of the murders Jeremy Bamber telephoned his girlfriend Julie Mugford at around 3am.  The timing of this call was the subject of much investigation and was attested to by Julie and two of her flatmates. 

According to Julie, Jeremy told her on the telephone that his father had telephoned him to say that his sister had the gun and that he was to phone the police.  Julie said that she told him to go back to bed.

We also know that Jeremy did telephone the Essex Police control room at Chelmsford some time later at approx 3.26am and reported the same telephone call from his father.

During his interview shortly after the murders Jeremy mixed up the timings of the telephone calls.

And in 2003 he claimed that, "I did not speak to Julie prior to speaking to the police, but spoke to her after I had spoken to them. The principle reason I spoke to her was because I was concerned about phoning the police and getting them involved in a private family matter."

[puglove]

On the morning of the murders Jeremy Bamber telephoned his girlfriend Julie Mugford at around 3am.  The timing of this call was the subject of much investigation and was attested to by Julie and two of her flatmates. 

According to Julie, Jeremy told her on the telephone that his father had telephoned him to say that his sister had the gun and that he was to phone the police.  Julie said that she told him to go back to bed.

We also know that Jeremy did telephone the Essex Police control room at Chelmsford some time later at approx 3.26am and reported the same telephone call from his father.

During his interview shortly after the murders Jeremy mixed up the timings of the telephone calls.

And in 2003 he claimed that, "I did not speak to Julie prior to speaking to the police, but spoke to her after I had spoken to them. The principle reason I spoke to her was because I was concerned about phoning the police and getting them involved in a private family matter."

Eureka!! JB called Julie to say "something has gone wrong at the farm." Meaning.....the two shots to Sheila. Change of plan. Invent a call from Ralph to place JB at the cottage, because two shots won't look like suicide. Especially as the silencer was used for the first shot but not the second!

[goatboy]

Does Mike know Bamber denied calling Julie before the police? Because he reckons Jeremy's call to the police happened at 3:36 and went on for 11 minutes, meaning his arrival at the farm at about 3:52 was pretty quick. Yes, incredibly quick, especially if he also found time to call Julie. 

And the blue forum have the nerve to call Julie a liar!

[Iggy68]

Does Mike know Bamber denied calling Julie before the police? Because he reckons Jeremy's call to the police happened at 3:36 and went on for 11 minutes, meaning his arrival at the farm at about 3:52 was pretty quick. Yes, incredibly quick, especially if he also found time to call Julie. 

And the blue forum have the nerve to call Julie a liar!

 
Mike denies facts even when they slap him in the face

[Outlook]

Does Mike know Bamber denied calling Julie before the police? Because he reckons Jeremy's call to the police happened at 3:36 and went on for 11 minutes, meaning his arrival at the farm at about 3:52 was pretty quick. Yes, incredibly quick, especially if he also found time to call Julie. 

And the blue forum have the nerve to call Julie a liar!

This would have had Jeremy driving at 90 MPH to get there in time but the police overtook him and said he was driving slow.   8-)(--)

Oh I suppose that means the police were driving at at a lethal 200 MPH in their 1.3L Ford Escorts.  Again demonstrating the reckless disregard for life that they usually have and of course their bloodlust in wanted to shoot innocent members of the public.

On the other hand Jeremy could have called the police on his mobile  phone as he drove there...

But then again mobile phones did not exist in 1985 but that is a minor matter and stranger things have been claimed on "Blue" such as digital recorders and digital phone logging and the dead walking and doing the washing without inhaling their own blood.

[Myster]

On the morning of the murders Jeremy Bamber telephoned his girlfriend Julie Mugford at around 3am.  The timing of this call was the subject of much investigation and was attested to by Julie and two of her flatmates. 

According to Julie, Jeremy told her on the telephone that his father had telephoned him to say that his sister had the gun and that he was to phone the police.  Julie said that she told him to go back to bed.

We also know that Jeremy did telephone the Essex Police control room at Chelmsford some time later at approx 3.26am and reported the same telephone call from his father.

During his interview shortly after the murders Jeremy mixed up the timings of the telephone calls.

And in 2003 he claimed that, "I did not speak to Julie prior to speaking to the police, but spoke to her after I had spoken to them. The principle reason I spoke to her was because I was concerned about phoning the police and getting them involved in a private family matter."

The thing I found interesting and a new discovery for me, was that when Stan Jones visited Sue Batte(r)sby on two separate occasions (one unannounced), he checked the time on her digital clock with his own watch to see if it was around 10 minutes fast as she claimed it to be on the morning in question.... and it was.

There was originally some confusion about the timing of Jeremy Bamber's call to Julie Mugford , with flatmates giving different times - Sue (3:12), Joanna Woad (between 2:00 & 2:59) and Helen Eaton (3:00 to 3:30).  So in the end they settled on around 3 a.m., a good twenty to thirty minutes before Bamber called the police.

[Outlook]

On the morning of the murders Jeremy Bamber telephoned his girlfriend Julie Mugford at around 3am.  The timing of this call was the subject of much investigation and was attested to by Julie and two of her flatmates. 

According to Julie, Jeremy told her on the telephone that his father had telephoned him to say that his sister had the gun and that he was to phone the police.  Julie said that she told him to go back to bed.

We also know that Jeremy did telephone the Essex Police control room at Chelmsford some time later at approx 3.26am and reported the same telephone call from his father.

During his interview shortly after the murders Jeremy mixed up the timings of the telephone calls.

And in 2003 he claimed that, "I did not speak to Julie prior to speaking to the police, but spoke to her after I had spoken to them. The principle reason I spoke to her was because I was concerned about phoning the police and getting them involved in a private family matter."

The thing I found interesting and a new discovery for me, was that when Stan Jones visited Sue Batte(r)sby on two separate occasions (one unannounced), he checked the time on her digital clock with his own watch to see if it was around 10 minutes fast as she claimed it to be on the morning in question.... and it was.

There was originally some confusion about the timing of Jeremy Bamber's call to Julie Mugford , with flatmates giving different times - Sue (3:12), Joanna Woad (between 2:00 & 2:59) and Helen Eaton (3:00 to 3:30).  So in the end they settled on around 3 a.m., a good twenty to thirty minutes before Bamber called the police.

Yes I thought that was clever of Stan Jones.  I must remember that if I have to lie about time to the police, that they might come back and check unannounced.

[goatboy]

I think the time of the call was pretty much independently verified as being some considerable time before Jeremy's call to the police. I also thought at trial he didn't dispute that he called Julie first? His reasoning behind it was that he didnt know if the incident at the farm was serious enough to warrant calling the police.

[Myster]

I think the time of the call was pretty much independently verified as being some considerable time before Jeremy's call to the police. I also thought at trial he didn't dispute that he called Julie first? His reasoning behind it was that he didnt know if the incident at the farm was serious enough to warrant calling the police.

And yet he really felt that his father had already been injured when he supposedly answered the phone... "oh, what a tangled web we weave, etc."

[puglove]

I think the time of the call was pretty much independently verified as being some considerable time before Jeremy's call to the police. I also thought at trial he didn't dispute that he called Julie first? His reasoning behind it was that he didnt know if the incident at the farm was serious enough to warrant calling the police.

And yet he really felt that his father had already been injured when he supposedly answered the phone... "oh, what a tangled web we weave, etc."

What the Bamber Incisively Didn't Do It (or BIDDI) Brigade have to explain is why, according to JB's timings, he called Julie BEFORE Ralph called him.     >@@(*&)

[Outlook]

I think the time of the call was pretty much independently verified as being some considerable time before Jeremy's call to the police. I also thought at trial he didn't dispute that he called Julie first? His reasoning behind it was that he didn't know if the incident at the farm was serious enough to warrant calling the police.

And yet he really felt that his father had already been injured when he supposedly answered the phone... "oh, what a tangled web we weave, etc."

What the Bamber Incisively Didn't Do It (or BIDDI) Brigade have to explain is why, according to JB's timings, he called Julie BEFORE Ralph called him.     >@@(*&)

Oh my.  That is creepy.  It is almost as if Jeremy "knew" that something awful was going to/had happened.

You do not think he is Psychic do you?

Then also Dr Vanezis says that Mr Bamber was so badly injured that he would not be able to carry out a meaningful conversation so then Jeremy had to play Charades over the telephone.

What a night!  No wonder he needed a cuddle from Julie.

[Myster]

I think the time of the call was pretty much independently verified as being some considerable time before Jeremy's call to the police. I also thought at trial he didn't dispute that he called Julie first? His reasoning behind it was that he didnt know if the incident at the farm was serious enough to warrant calling the police.

And yet he really felt that his father had already been injured when he supposedly answered the phone... "oh, what a tangled web we weave, etc."

What the Bamber Incisively Didn't Do It (or BIDDI) Brigade have to explain is why, according to JB's timings, he called Julie BEFORE Ralph called him.     >@@(*&)

But why wake her up (and the others) in the middle of the night anyway, far away in London when she probably had to be up early for her college course and had no transport anyway there and then to get over to Goldhanger..., surely one of his cousins would have to travel only a short distance if any help was needed, or even one of the Foalkes family close by in the farm cottages.

Bamber must have been so pumped up with adrenaline that he just had to break the news to the one who he'd bragged to for so long about what he'd planned.

[goatboy]

I think the time of the call was pretty much independently verified as being some considerable time before Jeremy's call to the police. I also thought at trial he didn't dispute that he called Julie first? His reasoning behind it was that he didnt know if the incident at the farm was serious enough to warrant calling the police.

And yet he really felt that his father had already been injured when he supposedly answered the phone... "oh, what a tangled web we weave, etc."

What the Bamber Incisively Didn't Do It (or BIDDI) Brigade have to explain is why, according to JB's timings, he called Julie BEFORE Ralph called him.     >@@(*&)

But why wake her up (and the others) in the middle of the night anyway, far away in London when she probably had to be up early for her college course and had no transport anyway there and then to get over to Goldhanger..., surely one of his cousins would have to travel only a short distance if any help was needed, or even one of the Foalkes family close by in the farm cottages.

Bamber must have been so pumped up with adrenaline that he just had to break the news to the one who he'd bragged to for so long about what he'd planned.

Spot on Myster, that's the only reason  why he would have called her. And if he supposedly got on so well with his relatives why not call them first if they actually could have come along to help? And assuming Nevill would have made a call to a relative wouldn't he have been more likely to call David, Ann or someone like that?

[Iggy68]

I think the time of the call was pretty much independently verified as being some considerable time before Jeremy's call to the police. I also thought at trial he didn't dispute that he called Julie first? His reasoning behind it was that he didn't know if the incident at the farm was serious enough to warrant calling the police.

And yet he really felt that his father had already been injured when he supposedly answered the phone... "oh, what a tangled web we weave, etc."

What the Bamber Incisively Didn't Do It (or BIDDI) Brigade have to explain is why, according to JB's timings, he called Julie BEFORE Ralph called him.     >@@(*&)

Oh my.  That is creepy.  It is almost as if Jeremy "knew" that something awful was going to/had happened.

You do not think he is Psychic do you?

Then also Dr Vanezis says that Mr Bamber was so badly injured that he would not be able to carry out a meaningful conversation so then Jeremy had to play Charades over the telephone.

What a night!  No wonder he needed a cuddle from Julie.

 
Jeremy is something that begins with a 'p'  but it isnt psychic

[goatboy]

I think the time of the call was pretty much independently verified as being some considerable time before Jeremy's call to the police. I also thought at trial he didn't dispute that he called Julie first? His reasoning behind it was that he didn't know if the incident at the farm was serious enough to warrant calling the police.

And yet he really felt that his father had already been injured when he supposedly answered the phone... "oh, what a tangled web we weave, etc."

What the Bamber Incisively Didn't Do It (or BIDDI) Brigade have to explain is why, according to JB's timings, he called Julie BEFORE Ralph called him.     >@@(*&)

Oh my.  That is creepy.  It is almost as if Jeremy "knew" that something awful was going to/had happened.

You do not think he is Psychic do you?

Then also Dr Vanezis says that Mr Bamber was so badly injured that he would not be able to carry out a meaningful conversation so then Jeremy had to play Charades over the telephone.

What a night!  No wonder he needed a cuddle from Julie.

 
Jeremy is something that begins with a 'p'  but it isnt psychic

That's true. But is does start with the same 5 letters...