Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando

[Myster]

A reconstruction based on the physical evidence at soc would turn the prosecution case heard at trial on its head in this regard.

The prosecution case at trial as quoted from the CoA 2002 doc:

vii) The appellant's account of the telephone call from his father could be proved to be false for the following reasons:

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;

b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;

The above is based on the perp entering the main bedroom and opening fire on NB and June where it is claimed NB sustained his 4 non-fatal gsw's.

The above did not happen.  NB sustained his 2 non-fatal gsw's, lip and jaw, on the landing stairs facing towards the bedroom with the perp firing out from the bedroom.  NB sustained the other 2 non-fatal gsw's to the rear of his shoulder and elbow/chest whilst descending the main stairs with the perp behind.

I'm afraid you omitted several imos there. 

[Myster]

The drop wasn't father then the kitchen window? We don't know how many toiletries were on the sill but they can easily be moved and replaced. Clambering over the sink is a lot more difficult and I hate to keep repeating myself but we know Bamber frequently used the shower room window, the hacksaw was found near it and it was found to be unlocked.

Items on the kitchen sink drainer were more easily accessible from outside than reaching in for toiletries knocked onto the floor of the shower room.  All in my opinion of course.

[APRIL]

Items on the kitchen sink drainer were more easily accessible from outside than reaching in for toiletries knocked onto the floor of the shower room.  All in my opinion of course.

Do we have a breakdown of the toiletries which were on the bathroom windowsill?

[Myster]

Do we have a breakdown of the toiletries which were on the bathroom windowsill?

Have you got a magnifying glass handy?

[APRIL]

Have you got a magnifying glass handy?

Mea culpa! I had always assumed that to be the upstairs, family bathroom.  The shower rooms downstairs in these old farmhouses are, in my experience, more masculine domains with Life Bouy soap to scrub off the day's dirt, rather than perfumed shower gels and body creams.

PS His close relative Des Cartes sends regards

[Caroline]

A reconstruction based on the physical evidence at soc would turn the prosecution case heard at trial on its head in this regard.

The prosecution case at trial as quoted from the CoA 2002 doc:

vii) The appellant's account of the telephone call from his father could be proved to be false for the following reasons:

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;

b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;

The above is based on the perp entering the main bedroom and opening fire on NB and June where it is claimed NB sustained his 4 non-fatal gsw's.

The above did not happen.  NB sustained his 2 non-fatal gsw's, lip and jaw, on the landing stairs facing towards the bedroom with the perp firing out from the bedroom.  NB sustained the other 2 non-fatal gsw's to the rear of his shoulder and elbow/chest whilst descending the main stairs with the perp behind.

Maybe but it still wouldn't prove the phone call.

[Caroline]

Items on the kitchen sink drainer were more easily accessible from outside than reaching in for toiletries knocked onto the floor of the shower room.  All in my opinion of course.

Why would they be on the floor? They could have been just pushed to one side.

[Caroline]

Have you got a magnifying glass handy?

I'm pretty sure this is the upstairs bathroom Myster.

[Myster]

Why would they be on the floor? They could have been just pushed to one side.

He might have knocked them off the sill when first climbing through, which resulted in the dog barking and hence wakening his parents in bed.

[adam]

The window looks the same from inside & outside. With the net curtains covering the bottom half of the window.

[Caroline]

The window looks the same from inside & outside. With the net curtains covering the bottom half of the window.

There is a gap at the bottom of the net in the picture taken from the inside and no gap on the outside shot.

[Myster]

I'm pretty sure this is the upstairs bathroom Myster.

Don't think so. Look at the book cupboard on the left next to the toilet and compare with this downstairs plan. The Shower room is indicated as Washroom.  Also, the U bend of the toilet is actually an S bend which penetrates the floor rather than passing directly through the outside wall like the toilets in the upstairs bathroom and toilet room, as can be seen on external views of the house.



Compare with the upstairs bathroom which has no book cupboard...

[Caroline]

Don't think so. Look at the book cupboard on the left next to the toilet and compare with this downstairs plan. The Shower room is indicated as Washroom.  Also, the U bend of the toilet is actually an S bend which penetrates the floor rather than passing directly through the outside wall like the toilets in the upstairs bathroom and toilet room, as can be seen on external views of the house.



Compare with the upstairs bathroom which has no book cupboard...

You might be right but I am sure on the blue forum they have that down as the upstairs bathroom. The curtains are certainly the same colour.

[Caroline]

I know one thing, you would need extra long arms to reach that bod roll! 

[Myster]

You might be right but I am sure on the blue forum they have that down as the upstairs bathroom. The curtains are certainly the same colour.

Spending too much time over there will definitely drive you loo-py!

Another pointer... the wall behind the old fireplace (partly-hidden) on the left in the downstairs Shower room is thick to allow for a chimney flue, whereas there is no such thickening of the left-hand wall in the upstairs Bathroom.