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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #105 on: April 15, 2019, 12:47:22 PM »
“How can anyone make this comment and expect to be taken seriously.....
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9318.msg520837#msg520837

It's true.  Its a daft statement to make when the perp got clean away and has done so for some 20 years.

Non-experts who write books about true-crime whether they be pro or anti any particular individual/group can offer very little by way of evidential value.  Coupled with the fact most of them are bias eg Michelle Bates believes her brother innocent so she offers a narrative that supports this view.  Even those who claim to be non-bias eg Carol Ann Lee reveal their true colours!   
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #106 on: April 15, 2019, 12:57:03 PM »
It's true.  Its a daft statement to make when the perp got clean away and has done so for some 20 years.

Non-experts who write books about true-crime whether they be pro or anti any particular individual/group can offer very little by way of evidential value.  Coupled with the fact most of them are bias eg Michelle Bates believes her brother innocent so she offers a narrative that supports this view.  Even those who claim to be non-bias eg Carol Ann Lee reveal their true colours!   

In your opinion!

It’s not a daft statement to make if you believe Barry George carried out the murder!

Let’s face it Holly you come across like you don’t think much of the “experts” or the “non experts” in these cases therefore your apparent biases cloud your arguments - imo
« Last Edit: April 15, 2019, 01:01:36 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #107 on: April 15, 2019, 01:05:52 PM »
In your opinion!

It’s not a daft statement to make if you believe Barry George carried out the murder!

Its not my opinion.  Its a fact.  The perp got away.  Barry George was convicted but has since had his conviction quashed because the forensic evidence underpinning the conviction was fatally flawed.   

The point here is whether the soc, 29 Gowan Ave, afforded the perp an opportunity to carry out the crime undetected and the answer is most definitely yes.  If this wasn't the case a reliable e-fit would have been produced and Barry George or a.n.other  would have been interviewed/charged at a much earlier stage. 
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #108 on: April 15, 2019, 01:12:17 PM »
Its not my opinion.  Its a fact.  The perp got away.  Barry George was convicted but has since had his conviction quashed because the forensic evidence underpinning the conviction was fatally flawed.   

The point here is whether the soc, 29 Gowan Ave, afforded the perp an opportunity to carry out the crime undetected and the answer is most definitely yes.  If this wasn't the case a reliable e-fit would have been produced and Barry George or a.n.other  would have been interviewed/charged at a much earlier stage.

I rest my case
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #109 on: April 15, 2019, 01:25:16 PM »
Its not my opinion.  Its a fact.  The perp got away.  Barry George was convicted but has since had his conviction quashed because the forensic evidence underpinning the conviction was fatally flawed.   

The point here is whether the soc, 29 Gowan Ave, afforded the perp an opportunity to carry out the crime undetected and the answer is most definitely yes.  If this wasn't the case a reliable e-fit would have been produced and Barry George or a.n.other  would have been interviewed/charged at a much earlier stage.

The point was actually:

“If Jill Dando was killed by a so called professional who would have been highly mobile, Gowan Avenue was the worst choice of location. Her partners home in Chiswick would have been far easier to identify and log her movement routine. A local, close to Gowan Avenue however and without transport would have the time to loiter and plot for, days, weeks, months. If Jill Dando had been approached by nothing more threatening than a busy autograph hunter where would they have chosen to wait for her.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9318.msg520795#msg520795

But never mind hey.
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Offline Caroline

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #110 on: April 15, 2019, 01:32:12 PM »
I don't think criminal trials are the place for 'thinking outside the box'.  Afaik jurors are told in no uncertain terms that they must follow the evidence heard during the trial only.  In any event jurors have a lot to take in over a short period of time.  You and I have had the luxury of poring over this stuff for years  8)><(

I agree the fact NB was shot on the landing and main stairs does not mean NB necessarily made a call to JB but it does offer up at the very least a level playing field.  As it stood at trial with NB in bed and shot in the bedroom how could he have made the call given the pathological evidence ie incapable of purposeful speech and producing heavy blood loss from the mouth?

Is that how you would think if you were a juror? I doubt it.

Bottom line is that is still doesn't prove the phone call.

Offline Caroline

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #111 on: April 15, 2019, 01:37:52 PM »
The point was actually:

“If Jill Dando was killed by a so called professional who would have been highly mobile, Gowan Avenue was the worst choice of location. Her partners home in Chiswick would have been far easier to identify and log her movement routine. A local, close to Gowan Avenue however and without transport would have the time to loiter and plot for, days, weeks, months. If Jill Dando had been approached by nothing more threatening than a busy autograph hunter where would they have chosen to wait for her.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9318.msg520795#msg520795

But never mind hey.

A professional would have tracked her routine and not spent time outside her house on spec. I believe she called home out of the blue?

Offline Myster

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #112 on: April 16, 2019, 05:15:41 AM »
Funny how the pathologist stated he was unqualified to comment re SC's nails and yet the likes of the above are more than happy to offer up opinion.
Probably because the pathologist had never loaded an Anschutz rifle magazine in his life before, whereas AR, as a life-long firearm user, had far more experience!

Offline Nicholas

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #113 on: April 17, 2019, 06:38:03 PM »

Non-experts who write books about true-crime whether they be pro or anti any particular individual/group can offer very little by way of evidential value.

I disagree! - though can see how your reluctance to consider alternatives to your preferred line of thought would leave you thinking this way.

It might be worth considering keeping an open mind to all possibilities.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #114 on: April 17, 2019, 07:35:46 PM »
Non-experts who write books about true-crime whether they be pro or anti any particular individual/group can offer very little by way of evidential value.  Coupled with the fact most of them are bias eg Michelle Bates believes her brother innocent so she offers a narrative that supports this view.  Even those who claim to be non-bias eg Carol Ann Lee reveal their true colours!   

Confirmation bias can contaminate all of us, including the experts! Maybe you should read up on historical cases of factual innocence after a guilty verdict has been overturned.
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Offline Caroline

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #115 on: April 17, 2019, 09:46:47 PM »
Confirmation bias can contaminate all of us, including the experts! Maybe you should read up on historical cases of factual innocence after a guilty verdict has been overturned.

https://www.bustle.com/p/5-writers-reporters-who-helped-solve-the-cases-they-investigated-8894598

Offline Nicholas

Re: Differences In Forensics And Trial Between WHF And Murder Of Jill Dando
« Reply #116 on: April 20, 2019, 07:35:28 AM »
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