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Offline Robittybob1

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #225 on: June 05, 2019, 02:01:00 AM »
I tend to agree with your view, although I've yet to listen to the last podcast. Maybe it's because 2 of the 3 presenters have vast experience in Law Enforcement/criminal investigation & opinions seem unbiased in the main.
As an aside, last night I watched a documentary on the Glyn Razzell case (a body-less murder conviction) & concluded from it that he was guilty based on his refusal to take a polygraph & the alleged victim's blood found in the boot of a car he'd used on the day Linda went missing. However, upon researching further, I've discovered that important pointers to Glyn's innocence were omitted from the programme. Today I'm not so sure he was guilty of murder & a miscarriage of justice may well have occurred.
There are several episodes of the podcast and it takes a while to go through them all.
Did they use the word "chilled"  as in "They’re currently discussing the argument that it’s unlikely the parents could have been so chilled whilst they were supposedly involved in a cover up whilst eating at the Tapas"?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #226 on: June 05, 2019, 02:35:51 AM »
1. So the owner of the building found Madeleine dead in the lift and decided to dispose of her body?
2. She woke and wandered and was murdered by a drunk driver who disposed of her body?
3. Madeleine fell down a man hole and the contractor was in the vicinity and happened to find her and dispose of her body?
4. Madeleine went to meet the abductors?
5. She drowned in the pool and the owner of the pool felt liable and decided to dispose of her body?
6.  Wouldn't Kate or Gerry have observed a dead Madeleine if their daughter had choke to death when they went into the apartment? Nor is it exactly waking and wandering.
7. Just assuming the owners of the inadequate rail were hanging around the tapas between 9 and 10 o'clock, did they discover her dead and decide to dispose of her body?
These are just some of the possible eventualities that could have been the fate of Madeleine.

As you pointed out: "6.  Wouldn't Kate or Gerry have observed a dead Madeleine if their daughter had choke to death when they went into the apartment? Nor is it exactly waking and wandering." 
OK choking could occur outside as well as inside the apartment.  Woke wander, choke, taken to doctors, recovered, person changed their mind and abducted her.

As you pointed out: "7. Just assuming the owners of the inadequate rail were hanging around the tapas between 9 and 10 o'clock, did they discover her dead and decide to dispose of her body?" 

That is possible, they may have been out walking and returned home.  Nothing unusual about that.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #227 on: June 05, 2019, 03:11:04 AM »
https://soundcloud.com/real-crime-profile

Join Jim Clemente (former FBI profiler), Laura Richards (formerly of New Scotland Yards, Founder and Director of Paladin, National Stalking Advocacy Service) and Lisa Zambetti (Casting director for CBS' Criminal Minds) as they profile behavior from real criminal cases.

From episode 182 to 187 the group discuss the McCann case.

Episode 182 - The Disappearance Of Madeleine McCann
Episode 183 - Victimology and Timeline: The Disappearance Of Madeleine McCann
Episode 184: Victimology and The Investigation - Madeleine McCann
Episode 185 - Breaking It Down: Madeleine McCann

Episode 186: Linkage Analysis - Madeleine McCann
Episode 187 - Clearing the Ground From Under Your Feet: Madeleine McCann

https://player.fm/series/real-crime-profile-1437927/episode-186-linkage-analysis-madeleine-mccann






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Offline G-Unit

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #228 on: June 05, 2019, 07:01:19 AM »
An incomplete profile will always be incomplete, no matter what technology is used.

There were 15 out of Madeleine's 19 DNA ccmponemts. There were, however, 37 compoments altogether. That, to ne suggests that 22 of them couldn't be hers.  He then goes on to cast doubt on the 15 components too. Yes they match her profile, but that doesn't mean they belong to her because they may not.

 The problem is clearly stated;
It is not possible in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. Namely, we cannot separate the components out into 3 individual DNA profiles.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

That's the problem which Perlin claims he can solve.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #229 on: June 05, 2019, 07:10:46 AM »
There were 15 out of Madeleine's 19 DNA ccmponemts. There were, however, 37 compoments altogether. That, to ne suggests that 22 of them couldn't be hers.  He then goes on to cast doubt on the 15 components too. Yes they match her profile, but that doesn't mean they belong to her because they may not.

 The problem is clearly stated;
It is not possible in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. Namely, we cannot separate the components out into 3 individual DNA profiles.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

That's the problem which Perlin claims he can solve.

If that is the case why do you think thePJ have not taken up his offer

Offline barrier

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #230 on: June 05, 2019, 07:17:48 AM »
If that is the case why do you think thePJ have not taken up his offer
Why would they be expected to,what's not to say they( PJ) or SY aren't up to speed with the advancements in forensics and are already on it,with a supposed  joint investigation imo declaring where they are at with it isn't and won't be up for discussion with third parties.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #231 on: June 05, 2019, 07:18:57 AM »
Why would they be expected to,what's not to say they( PJ) or SY aren't up to speed with the advancements in forensics and are already on it,with a supposed  joint investigation imo declaring where they are at with it isn't and won't be up for discussion with third parties.

Agreed

Offline G-Unit

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #232 on: June 05, 2019, 07:40:10 AM »
If that is the case why do you think thePJ have not taken up his offer

I don't know whether the PJ have the information he needs for his analysis. Do you?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #233 on: June 05, 2019, 07:41:54 AM »
I don't know whether the PJ have the information he needs for his analysis. Do you?

It's their investigation so why wouldnt they have access to it.. They surely would

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #234 on: June 05, 2019, 07:53:04 AM »
There were 15 out of Madeleine's 19 DNA ccmponemts. There were, however, 37 compoments altogether. That, to ne suggests that 22 of them couldn't be hers.  He then goes on to cast doubt on the 15 components too. Yes they match her profile, but that doesn't mean they belong to her because they may not.

 The problem is clearly stated;
It is not possible in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. Namely, we cannot separate the components out into 3 individual DNA profiles.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

That's the problem which Perlin claims he can solve.
Is this the “definitely maybe” cite that Monkey was talking about yesterday but claimed he was not allowed to post?  In which case I would say it’s 99% maybe and 1% definitely. 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #235 on: June 05, 2019, 08:20:44 AM »
It's their investigation so why wouldnt they have access to it.. They surely would

I don't know how the FSS worked. Did they give their customers everything they had, or just the results? The fact that someone withdrew the FSS records from the archives in 2012 suggests they only gave out their results. 

I'm thinking of when you give your accounts to an accountant at the end of the year. They produce a profit and loss account and a balance sheet from what you give them, and they hand them over to you. They don't hand over their calculations, just the results.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #236 on: June 05, 2019, 08:22:45 AM »
Is this the “definitely maybe” cite that Monkey was talking about yesterday but claimed he was not allowed to post?  In which case I would say it’s 99% maybe and 1% definitely.

As much as that for Definitely?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #237 on: June 05, 2019, 08:24:39 AM »
As much as that for Definitely?
Maybe I overstated that, sorry. 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #238 on: June 05, 2019, 08:44:51 AM »
I don't know how the FSS worked. Did they give their customers everything they had, or just the results? The fact that someone withdrew the FSS records from the archives in 2012 suggests they only gave out their results. 

I'm thinking of when you give your accounts to an accountant at the end of the year. They produce a profit and loss account and a balance sheet from what you give them, and they hand them over to you. They don't hand over their calculations, just the results.
If the figures are available to anyone they are, available to the PJ

Offline The General

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #239 on: June 05, 2019, 08:46:51 AM »
Maybe I overstated that, sorry.
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