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[Carana]

There are huge gaps in what we know and what we may surmise about the police response.

From a thread about the police timeline, it is difficult to establish when the GNR were informed of the abduction theory.  The earliest response fits a potential missing child rather than a potential abduction.

The escalation to the PJ suggests 5A was being treated as a possible crime scene.

The hauling in of CSI expertise from Lisbon suggests the PJ were taking it very seriously, but by that time, the media scrum had long since started.

I agree. However the GNR had to assess whether Madeleine wasn't just hiding or asleep somewhere in the flat to start with, and therefore could have been much a do about nothing.

It would seem normal to check in areas that panicked people might not have thought of, including behind the sofa.

[ShiningInLuz]

Good post until one hits the bit about "the media scrum" and all that implies.

Apart from it being used by Amaral in his book to excuse not carrying out a reconstruction ... how could the media possibly have interfered with a police investigation?
The police had the power to keep the media to the periphery.  Did that not happen?

That was not what I was saying or implying.

Lisbon to Luz is 3 hours by car.

I don't know if the decision to call in Lisbon CSI experts was made before or after the media started to camp out in Luz.  It is another one of those gaps in knowledge.

Until the Lisbon team arrived, it had been Algarve expertise.  Presumably, someone decided to call in the big boys.  I don't know who or when or why.

[Robittybob1]

I agree. However the GNR had to assess whether Madeleine wasn't just hiding or asleep somewhere in the flat to start with, and therefore could have been much a do about nothing.

It would seem normal to check in areas that panicked people might not have thought of, including behind the sofa.

Would a child still be hiding over an hour after the mother and father arrived back at the apartment?

Maybe trapped and suffocated is a possibility, but I think playing hide and seek 1 hour later is taking it a bit far, so they would have to be looking for a body IMO if they searched the apartment again.

[G-Unit]

Eposide 184 seems to be a repeat of 183, so Episide 185;

Why Madeleine and not one of the twins? Jim Clemente says an abduction for maternal reasons would have wanted one of the younger children, so his opinion is the motive was either sexual or trafficking (selling her).

Laura Richards questions the closing of the window and shutters rather than leaving the evidence alone and moving the twins out; into the parent's room, for exanple.

They both seem unaware of how the shutters worked and how they stayed up.

Laura Richards firmly states that she has no confidence at all in the timeline given by the group.

[Carana]

Would a child still be hiding over an hour after the mother and father arrived back at the apartment?

Maybe trapped and suffocated is a possibility, but I think playing hide and seek 1 hour later is taking it a bit far, so they would have to be looking for a body IMO if they searched the apartment again.

Why? The GNR had to justify that they had also checked before passing the case on to the PJ.

[Robittybob1]

Eposide 184 seems to be a repeat of 183, so Episide 185;

Why Madeleine and not one of the twins? Jim Clemente says an abduction for maternal reasons would have wanted one of the younger children, so his opinion is the motive was either sexual or trafficking (selling her).

Laura Richards questions the closing of the window and shutters rather than leaving the evidence alone and moving the twins out; into the parent's room, for exanple.

They both seem unaware of how the shutters worked and how they stayed up.

Laura Richards firmly states that she has no confidence at all in the timeline given by the group.

When I think about it, as long as someone used a pen or such like the window could have been slid shut, and that would have stopped any draught.

[G-Unit]

Listening to these two, they criticise the Portuguese investigators but they also criticise Operation Grange. Both, in their opinion, failed to clear the ground at the start of their investigations.

[Angelo222]

that really is rubbish of the highest order if you don’t mind me saying.  Why would blame revert straight back to the parents and not the b........ who ran her over and put her in his or her car to hide the body?

Because it would not have happened had the parents exercised a little bit of savy in the first place.  Who in their right mind goes off leaving three toddlers alone for over an hour while based in a holiday apartment which isn't even locked.

[Angelo222]

I don't think he does... He says he wishes to correct a mistake.... Doesn't say who's mistake it was

I think you need to read the statements again as you are wrong.

Gerry McCann - PJ Statement dated 10 May 2007

"Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

There you go, the rear door (patio) was unlocked as was the front door to the car park which for the benefit of those who don't already understand means that the front door could be opened easily from the inside.  The two GNR trackers dogs called in to find Maddie's scent trail a matter of hours after her disappearance followed her fresh scent out that front door.

[Angelo222]

IMO, no alarm bells as yet ringing in the rooms of both current investigations?

Really? ...and you know this how exactly??

[Mr Gray]

I think you need to read the statements again as you are wrong.

Gerry McCann - PJ Statement dated 10 May 2007

"Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE by the rear door which he consequently closed but did not lock given that that is only possible from the inside. Referring to the front door, while he is certain that it was closed it is unlikely that it was locked as [because] they had left by the rear door."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

There you go, the rear door (patio) was unlocked as was the front door to the car park which for the benefit of those who don't already understand means that the front door could be opened easily from the inside.  The two GNR trackers dogs called in to find Maddie's scent trail a matter of hours after her disappearance followed her fresh scent out that front door.

Those are the words  of the translator not Gerry... We don't know what Gerry said

And the dog could have been following a scent from earlier that day

[Angelo222]

So which door was Gerry referring to?

In the early days (2005) people were calling the southern poolside  patio doors "The Front Door".  Others were calling the Northern wooden door "The Front Door".  Because of this anomaly, forums were getting in a terrible mess, confused.     I actually pointed this out on forum and the Northern wooden door became accepted as""The Front Door"


At that early  stage, which door do you think he was referring to as the rear door?

I don't know why you continue to muddy this issue because it is crystal clear in reality. The rear door was the patio door off course. The front door accessed the car park.

[Angelo222]

Those are the words  of the translator not Gerry... We don't know what Gerry said

And the dog could have been following a scent from earlier that day

Don't be so obtuse, GM signed his statements as being correct.

[Mr Gray]

Don't be so obtuse, GM signed his statements as being correct.

Gerry couldn't read the statements so so he has no way of knowing if they were correct.... Fact.. IMO you are the one being obtuse

[Angelo222]

Gerry couldn't read the statements so so he has no way of knowing if they were correct.... Fact

Well naturally they were read back to him in English. Jeeesh