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Offline Eleanor

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #375 on: June 06, 2019, 07:29:12 PM »
I think the elephant in the room as far as these podcasts are concerned ~ is the non-discussion of the fact that Amaral was himself an arguido and was subsequently charged ~ brought to trial ~ found guilty ~ a conviction which was upheld  on appeal.

In the circumstances ... why did the Portuguese authorities think it appropriate for him to be working on a case of magnitude such as Madeleine's?

I would like an answer to that.  How could The Portuguese Authorities have been so stupid?

Offline Eleanor

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #376 on: June 06, 2019, 07:31:05 PM »
Not sure about that, Eleanor. It may just have been a matter of inexperience or that no one was really wide awake that morning. I'd have thought that the main thing was to get the ball rolling at that point.

What kind of briefing would there have been between the PJ officers present in PdL until late the early hours and the inspector who was on duty that morning?

The PJ somehow had to also scamble to find someone available at short notice to interpret for them.

They didn't have to scramble to make The McCanns Arguidos.

Offline Carana

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #377 on: June 06, 2019, 07:37:46 PM »
I think the elephant in the room as far as these podcasts are concerned ~ is the non-discussion of the fact that Amaral was himself an arguido and was subsequently charged ~ brought to trial ~ found guilty ~ a conviction which was upheld  on appeal.

In the circumstances ... why did the Portuguese authorities think it appropriate for him to be working on a case of magnitude such as Madeleine's?

Amaral's superior was Encarnação as the head of Faro.

Did he think it'd all wash over? Or that she'd be found within a oouple of days?


Offline Carana

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #378 on: June 06, 2019, 07:39:00 PM »
They didn't have to scramble to make The McCanns Arguidos.

No, but they'd had time to get organised by then.

Offline G-Unit

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #379 on: June 06, 2019, 07:45:24 PM »
I think the elephant in the room as far as these podcasts are concerned ~ is the non-discussion of the fact that Amaral was himself an arguido and was subsequently charged ~ brought to trial ~ found guilty ~ a conviction which was upheld  on appeal.

In the circumstances ... why did the Portuguese authorities think it appropriate for him to be working on a case of magnitude such as Madeleine's?

Perhaps it's not as important as you think it is.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #380 on: June 06, 2019, 07:46:37 PM »
No, but they'd had time to get organised by then.

Sorry, I thought you said that they didn't have time to get organized.

So who wrote The Questions, 48 of them, from an Interview on the previous day?

Goncalo Amaral knew exactly what he was doing, IMO.  But he had to have them interviewed as Witnesses first.  That much is surely obvious.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #381 on: June 06, 2019, 07:47:41 PM »
They didn't have to scramble to make The McCanns Arguidos.
Are you suggesting the McCanns should have been made arguidos even before they were interviewed.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #382 on: June 06, 2019, 07:49:33 PM »
Perhaps it's not as important as you think it is.

You think?  An Incredible liar?  And Amaral's deposition was written in his own hand.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #383 on: June 06, 2019, 07:50:18 PM »
Sorry, I thought you said that they didn't have time to get organized.

So who wrote The Questions, 48 of them, from an Interview on the previous day?

Goncalo Amaral knew exactly what he was doing, IMO.  But he had to have them interviewed as Witnesses first.  That much is surely obvious.
But that is 4 months after Madeleine went missing.  Jim and Laura wanted them made arguido on the 4th May 2007 not the 7th September 2007.
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Offline Carana

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #384 on: June 06, 2019, 07:51:42 PM »
Sorry, I thought you said that they didn't have time to get organized.

So who wrote The Questions, 48 of them, from an Interview on the previous day?

Goncalo Amaral knew exactly what he was doing, IMO.  But he had to have them interviewed as Witnesses first.  That much is surely obvious.

I was talking about the morning of 4 May, not September.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #385 on: June 06, 2019, 07:52:52 PM »
Jim and Laura seemed to think the PJ should have gone in hard at midnight, separated the group and questioned them thoroughly. Neither of them suggest how that could have been organised. Should PJ personnel have been called in? Interpreters woken and brought in? What about the 7 sleeping children? Criticising with hindsight is easy.

I think the PJ could have achieved more in regard to the timeline once they began to doubt it.

The problem is we don't know how accurate the statements are... You can argue they are but you cannot prove they are...

Offline Eleanor

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #386 on: June 06, 2019, 07:53:00 PM »
Are you suggesting the McCanns should have been made arguidos even before they were interviewed.

No.  But then The McCanns almost certainly didn't know that they had that right.

It all went very well as far as I can see.

Offline Eleanor

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #387 on: June 06, 2019, 07:54:47 PM »
I was talking about the morning of 4 May, not September.

What has that got to do with anything?  Amaral didn't know anything about anything at that point.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #388 on: June 06, 2019, 07:56:23 PM »
No.  But then The McCanns almost certainly didn't know that they had that right.

It all went very well as far as I can see.

Is it normal practice to interview parents under caution in this situation... I really doubt it is..
As I understand  the PJ could not have made them arguido as they had no evidence

Offline Robittybob1

Re: At Last a Podcast from the Experts.
« Reply #389 on: June 06, 2019, 08:01:49 PM »
The problem is we don't know how accurate the statements are... You can argue they are but you cannot prove they are...
It doesn't matter.  It is what the PJ think that matters.  They are listening to the witnesses and they most probably understood what was being said.  The translator is for the witness not the inspector.
If there was any suspicion the whole group should have been made arguidos so they could be asked difficult and possibly incriminating questions.

Is it normal practice to interview parents under caution in this situation... I really doubt it is..
As I understand  the PJ could not have made them arguido as they had no evidence
They just need to use the statistical fact that 85% of missing kids are the result of their parents and associates of the family.
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