Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?

[Holly Goodhead]

I always had fond thoughts of mine and still gaze with wonder and awe at the new crop of babies making their presence felt in the family.

You say gaze with wonder but Kate tells us without the light on she could not even determine whether MM was in her bed or not and yet GM can see her clearly enough without the light on to have a proud parent moment as to how beautiful she looked.  Page 92 KM's book

I assume most of the regulars here have read KM's book?

[Brietta]

But it has with you...surely Gerry’s credibility should suffer the same fate.

Amaral had a criminal conviction for perjury.  Remind me ???  Who else has one?

[Holly Goodhead]

He would hardly pee in the front passageway.  He used the toilet when he was in the apartment.

Why not?  How do you know he used the loo?

[Brietta]

Fleeting thought, of all going to the Millennium, but it didn't happen.  To me it confirms to me that Silvia did try and get the Tapas 9 to stop leaving the kids alone in the rooms.    Silvia might have read them the riot act and they all thought "let's stop this by going to the Millennium", but the cure would have been worse than the disease.  It was difficult to take the kids to the Millennium.

I doubt Silvia hardly knew of their existence before Madeleine vanished.

[pathfinder73]

How would you prove they never talked about it?

Men's tennis was that night and by the time that was over it was kids bedtime so the Millennium is out of the question!

‘We all went to the Millennium Restaurant that evening, it was a ten minute walk, this was around half six to seven’, probably, I don’t know whether we discussed the times, it was probably, maybe six to six thirty for a start." https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

[Brietta]

You say gaze with wonder but Kate tells us without the light on she could not even determine whether MM was in her bed or not and yet GM can see her clearly enough without the light on to have a proud parent moment as to how beautiful she looked.  Page 92 KM's book

I assume most of the regulars here have read KM's book?

Have you noted the time difference between the visits?  Portugal isn't in perpetual darkness as far as I know and there has been a lot of discussion on the forum regarding that very point. 

[Brietta]

Why not?  How do you know he used the loo?

Because he said so.

[G-Unit]

Perhaps I'm not explaining myself very well.  The point I am attempting to point is when GM looked at MM circa 9ish he thought how beautiful MM looked and by his own admission and with the benefit of hindsight it was rather ironic that this was the last time he viewed MM! 

But was this the last time he viewed MM or was it 8.30 when he left for the tapas bar?  Was he actually going into the apartment, as he claims, or simply walking round the front and listening at the window?  Is all the elaboration about how beautiful MM looked to simply assuage any guilt and/or an attempt to make him look less irresponsible.

How could he see MM when according to KM she could not even determine whether or not MM was in the bed when the light was off?

That bedroom got lighter and darker depending on who was speaking. To be fair, it wasn't all that dark at 9:05. On the other hand the proud father moment took a while to be spoken of.

The problem with the checking is that no independent witnesses saw any of them apart from Jez Wilkins and he refused to be precise about the time he saw Gerry. Between 8:45 and 9:15 he said.

[Vertigo Swirl]

he approached her to request a booking for the whole group, for the whole week and always at 20.30...upon the insistence of the guest she managed to make the bookings requested.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUISA_COUTINHO.htm

Odd that this statement mentions a man making the block booking when both Matt and Rachel say it was she who begged and pleaded for the block booking.  Someone must be lying!

[pathfinder73]

Have you noted the time difference between the visits?  Portugal isn't in perpetual darkness as far as I know and there has been a lot of discussion on the forum regarding that very point.

It was dark when Matt checked and he could see into the room so how couldn't Kate from a closer position?

[faithlilly]

Amaral had a criminal conviction for perjury.  Remind me ???  Who else has one?

As far as I can see the only difference is that  Amaral lied in court, Gerry on film.

As my old granny used to say....you can trust a thief, you can’t trust a liar.

[Vertigo Swirl]

As an aside, is anyone else bothered by the greengrocer’s apostrophe in the thread title?

[faithlilly]

It was dark when Matt checked and he could see into the room so how couldn't Kate from a closer position?

Because it makes for a better narrative ?

[Holly Goodhead]

Have you noted the time difference between the visits?  Portugal isn't in perpetual darkness as far as I know and there has been a lot of discussion on the forum regarding that very point.

What difference would the time difference make in terms of light entering the room?  GM and KM went out at 8.30. Page 90 KM's book she states the bedroom door was left open to allow a glimmer of light in from the lamp they left on in the lounge.  The curtains and shutter in the children's room were closed.

[Brietta]

As far as I can see the only difference is that  Amaral lied in court, Gerry on film.

As my old granny used to say....you can trust a thief, you can’t trust a liar.

Amaral falsified evidence in a torture trial ...

I would neither trust a convicted thief or a convicted liar ... but maybe other grannies have different standards.