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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #150 on: June 17, 2019, 12:23:57 PM »
Have you found any definite facts so far?

Yes.  The science of sleep shows 100% the twins could sleep through all the commotion thus dispelling the myths about sedation. 

We know night is dark.  We know PL at approx 9pm on 3rd May is as dark as it gets and in a bedroom with the light off, shutters down and curtains closed was in total darkness as GM claimed in his WS and KM has always maintained.  So this whole proud parent moment where GM claims to look at MM thinking how beautiful she is, is imo unreliable.  If he was unable to make out MM why embellish:

- Didn't enter bedroom, or even apartment, as he claimed and wanted to appear less irresponsible claiming he was making physical checks when in reality he was listening at the window only.

- Wanted to create a narrative to steer the direction with PJ that MM was abducted.

- Knew KM would hit the roof if was being less than thorough with his checking.  He was in a hurry to get back to the table and he claims when he saw JW he dithered as to whether he should go over and start a conversation.  Did the conversation happen first?  He then took a shortcut and listened at the window rather than opening the gate, walking up the steps, opening the child gate, sliding the patio doors, moving the curtains and doing all again on his return?  Having worked in a male dominated environment for over some 2.5 decades imo men will take shortcuts and risks where women will often be more diligent.   

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #151 on: June 17, 2019, 12:39:01 PM »
The block booking was against the rules of the business arrangement between Mark Warner and the Ocean Club.  I have seen it,  the one group was not suppose to block book night after night, to allow all MW guests a chance to dine at the Tapas.

So why were they allowed to break the rules?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #152 on: June 17, 2019, 12:39:17 PM »
I think you will go far before you will find anything approaching the level of incompetence Madeleine McCann's case was subjected to.

This may well be the case but imo the parents have hampered the investigation.  They want to sell it hard to the world and its dog that MM was abducted because it assuages their guilt over the crazy "childcare arrangements".

An example in Kate's book is that she discounts MM waking and wondering on the basis she was 3 yoa along with some other factors.  The fact is when MM disappeared she was a few days off her 4th birthday.  Child development shows us what a child can master at 3 is quite different to what a child can master at 4.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Erngath

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #153 on: June 17, 2019, 12:45:11 PM »
This may well be the case but imo the parents have hampered the investigation.  They want to sell it hard to the world and its dog that MM was abducted because it assuages their guilt over the crazy "childcare arrangements".

An example in Kate's book is that she discounts MM waking and wondering on the basis she was 3 yoa along with some other factors.  The fact is when MM disappeared she was a few days off her 4th birthday.  Child development shows us what a child can master at 3 is quite different to what a child can master at 4.

But surely she, Kate, is better at judging what her own child could be capable of or not, than any of us onlookers.
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Offline jassi

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #154 on: June 17, 2019, 12:50:24 PM »
So why leave the door open if she was so sure that Madeleine wouldn't use it ?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #155 on: June 17, 2019, 12:50:57 PM »
Should she not, do you think?

Whatever floats her boat Eleanor, whatever floats her boat.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #156 on: June 17, 2019, 12:56:16 PM »
Thank you.

It is always good to have everything in context, don't you think, and viewing what Kate actually said certainly puts it all in context as I'm sure you knew it would.

By the way ... I have missed out on appointments or changed arrangements due to having a 'mild stomach upset' as such a complaint has the potential to escalate into a major embarrassment depending on circumstances..

The context is that she lied to cover up something unpalatable and that undermines perilously her credibility in all other statements.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #157 on: June 17, 2019, 12:57:59 PM »
No, it is not.  Blimin Semantics again.  Which is all you have.

It is. They said something false.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #158 on: June 17, 2019, 12:58:22 PM »
But surely she, Kate, is better at judging what her own child could be capable of or not, than any of us onlookers.

Kate told Fiona that she left the patio doors open so Madeleine could get out.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #159 on: June 17, 2019, 01:00:57 PM »
But surely she, Kate, is better at judging what her own child could be capable of or not, than any of us onlookers.

No she is not an independent witness.  She is a guilt ridden traumatized parent who wants to sell the abduction theory to  assuage her guilt and make her seem less responsible for MM's disappearance. 

The best person to determine whether an average just about 4 year old child would be capable of waking and wondering is a child psychologist perhaps in conjunction with those who knew MM. 

I thought the parents and others who knew MM described her as bright and intelligent.  It is generally considered intelligence is inherited so given the parent's occupations it is unlikely MM was not at the very least of average intelligence.

3 year olds often make a 999 call and end up saving a life.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #160 on: June 17, 2019, 01:02:15 PM »
So why were they allowed to break the rules?

We don't know for why.  Perhaps because it was nine people who might come back to holiday again.  But the fact is that it was not in the regulations.

I don't know what this might have to do with Gerry's thoughts, but we only have a mish mash of ifs and maybes.

And I don't care anyway.  This is hardly likely to convict anyone.

However, this something else to talk about, which is fine by me.

Offline Erngath

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #161 on: June 17, 2019, 01:02:46 PM »
Whatever floats her boat Eleanor, whatever floats her boat.

Her is still here.
Apparently that means to appeal to or to excite someone especially sexually.!
Definitely not.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #162 on: June 17, 2019, 01:05:59 PM »
Whatever floats her boat Eleanor, whatever floats her boat.

Are you saying that other Members are not entitled to an opinion?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #163 on: June 17, 2019, 01:07:39 PM »
It is. They said something false.

Semantics are never False.  Just an idea of an interpretation.

Offline Lace

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #164 on: June 17, 2019, 01:08:00 PM »
Imo we should take what the parents will say with a big pinch of salt.  They will feel tremendous guilt about this crazy "childcare arrangement" and have distorted the facts to assuage guilt and possibly shame imo.  They want to remove any idea MM came to some harm in the apartment and/or woke and wandered and sell it hard MM was abducted as this makes them less responsible for MM's disappearance.   

I have no doubt the McCann's will have a lot of guilt about leaving the children,  it is something they will regret for the rest  of their lives.

How does the sell hard Madeleine was abducted make them less responsible?    Many anti's have pointed out that the McCann's made Madeleine an easy target for an abductor by leaving them and the patio door open.

The window was open,   Kate and Gerry have said Madeleine wouldn't have opened it,  so in my opinion someone else opened it and I don't mean Kate.   IMO