Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?

[John]

For those who missed this earlier...

As another weekend approaches can I ask everyone to please follow the forum rules. The hard pressed moderators do an excellent job in keeping things moving so do consider them next time you feel you need to have a go at someone. 

Let's try and set a new record this weekend by drastically cutting the number of moderated posts. As an incentive, the prize for the member whose has the most posts moderated/deleted over Saturday and Sunday will be a two day ban.

Happy posting!

[Robittybob1]

The witness statements will prove it.  Matt was accused of being involved on 10 May 2007 by the PJ and he started providing interesting info especially as he wore a watch that night. He said Kate left at 21:50 to check and nobody apart from Gerry said she was gone long. 21:50 corroborates with the waiter that served Russell his steak moments before Kate left the table. That puts the alarm before 22:00 and the Smith sighting.

Cites for your claims please:
1. "The witness statements will prove it."

2. "as he wore a watch that night."  OK one reply "1578 'And did you wear watches''
 Reply 'Yes'.
Definitely not a direct quote from Matt Oldfield's rogatory statement.

Who's rogatory was that from?

[pathfinder73]

Cites for your claims please:
1. "The witness statements will prove it."

2. "as he wore a watch that night."

1. Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

By the way, he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by Kate McCann subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.

The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm



2. 1578 'How many times would, would yourself and, and Matthew have gone to check on Grace''
 Reply 'Erm I suppose, we'd sit at the table about eight thirty, so erm we probably went about two or three times each during the course of the meal, erm yeah, well Sunday night Matt wasn't there but he was in the apartment with Grace so I didn't check, Monday night we were both at the table, erm and we just took turns'.

1578 'And did you wear watches''
 Reply 'Yes'.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[Carana]

1. Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

By the way, he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by Kate McCann subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.

The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm



2. 1578 'How many times would, would yourself and, and Matthew have gone to check on Grace''
 Reply 'Erm I suppose, we'd sit at the table about eight thirty, so erm we probably went about two or three times each during the course of the meal, erm yeah, well Sunday night Matt wasn't there but he was in the apartment with Grace so I didn't check, Monday night we were both at the table, erm and we just took turns'.

1578 'And did you wear watches''
 Reply 'Yes'.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Not sure why you feel the need to shout. Who is "you"?

[jassi]

Do you not think it obvious that Rachael is referring to herself and Matt ?

[Carana]

Do you not think it obvious that Rachael is referring to herself and Matt ?

Yes, that's how I read it. So what was the point of "shouting" (bold and huge font size) about it?

[jassi]

Yes, that's how I read it. So what was the point of "shouting" (bold and huge font size) about it?

I didn't write the post, but Imagine that it was make the point, loud and clear to someone who was denying that they wore watches - maybe

[Robittybob1]

I didn't write the post, but Imagine that it was make the point, loud and clear to someone who was denying that they wore watches - maybe

I was simply asking for a cite showing who said they were wearing watches.

[Carana]

I didn't write the post, but Imagine that it was make the point, loud and clear to someone who was denying that they wore watches - maybe

No, I know you didn't. Sorry if you thought that I was referring to you.

It was Pathfinder who was shouting for a reason that I haven't yet fathomed.

[Carana]

I didn't write the post, but Imagine that it was make the point, loud and clear to someone who was denying that they wore watches - maybe

Had the Oldfields ever denied wearing watches?

[faithlilly]

Had the Oldfields ever denied wearing watches?

No but Clarence Mitchell did on their behalf.

“Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.”
 
The Guardian 06 April 2008

[Carana]

No but Clarence Mitchell did on their behalf.

“Mitchell said he was not surprised by the inconsistencies in the initial accounts. 'You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones, and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened.”
 
The Guardian 06 April 2008

Thanks, Faith,

I'm not sure that he would have checked with everyone in T9  over that.

The basic message, IMO, was that the group checked the kids who were sleeping a minute or so away, at more-or-less regular intervals during a relaxed meal.

I'd have found it a bit odd if they ccould have all accounted for every second. 

[faithlilly]

Thanks, Faith,

I'm not sure that he would have checked with everyone in T9  over that.

The basic message, IMO, was that the group checked the kids who were sleeping a minute or so away, at more-or-less regular intervals during a relaxed meal.

I'd have found it a bit odd if they ccould have all accounted for every second.

The claim was to explain the anomalies in the group’s timings. If the anomalies were to be expected why didn’t Mitchell just state that. Why claim something that he could have no idea was true ?

What is it with this case that when the truth or no comment would be by far the most sensible response those involved always chose dishonesty ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

The claim was to explain the anomalies in the group’s timings. If the anomalies were to be expected why didn’t Mitchell just state that. Why claim something that he could have no idea was true ?

What is it with this case that when the truth or no comment would be by far the most sensible response those involved always chose dishonesty ?

"It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell. "Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't... asking nine people to give exact explanations of what happened at what moment during the evening was never going to produce matching stories; what would have been more suspicious was nine exactly co-ordinated accounts."

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/analysis/kate-and-gerry-will-search-for-madeleine-to-the-end-of-their-lives-if-that-s-what-it-takes-1-2502642

[faithlilly]

"It was made out to be the biggest 'conspiracy' since the Diana 'conspiracy,'" says Mitchell. "Some of the group (of friends in the tapas restaurant) had their watches on that night, and others didn't... asking nine people to give exact explanations of what happened at what moment during the evening was never going to produce matching stories; what would have been more suspicious was nine exactly co-ordinated accounts."

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/analysis/kate-and-gerry-will-search-for-madeleine-to-the-end-of-their-lives-if-that-s-what-it-takes-1-2502642

Not sure why I can see your post but you illustrate my point admirably. Two quotes a month apart, each saying very different things. It seems in this case the truth is as fluid as the wine in the tapas bar.