The timeline revisited

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Don't you think that it is possible that the sightings both of which referred to exactly the same reasons for amending the original statements have been investigated and ruled out.

Only sceptic fora mention Mr Smith's amendment these days it seems.  What do you think the police are currently doing about it not forgetting the Portuguese police ruled out both a very long time ago.

No idea... DCI Redwood was certainly interested in Smithman and I'm not aware he was ever found.

[G-Unit]

Why did no-one publicise Mr McClusky's sighting. 

His original statement was made at the time and I believe he had all sorts of problems getting the police to hear it.

Mr Smith's original statement was not made until a fortnight after the event.

Why did the police ignore one amended statement and why did they think the other almost identically amended one was a game changer according to Amaral.

Apparently Mr McClusky reported the van details to the police in Portugal. He made a statement when he got home after Northumbria Police contacted him. When the statement arrived at Portimao a handwritten comment was added to it;

"It has already been checked! They are Ukrainians from Alvor with a blonde daughter who attends the “A Flor” crèche in Portimao."

I assume the police had checked the van reg. number and identified the owners.

So his later statement in September in which he identified the woman as Kate McCann and the man as Gerry had already been investigated and answered.

The PJ didn't publicise any sightings and the McCanns wouldn't have seen the McClusky statements until they received the Files. As the matter had been dealt with, why would they publicise it?

[G-Unit]

Don't you think that it is possible that the sightings both of which referred to exactly the same reasons for amending the original statements have been investigated and ruled out.

Only sceptic fora mention Mr Smith's amendment these days it seems.  What do you think the police are currently doing about it not forgetting the Portuguese police ruled out both a very long time ago.

Mr McClusky fingered both Kate and Gerry, unlike Mr Smith. The PJ ruled out the McClusky sighting very quickly, but they never ruled out the Smith one, imo, unless you have a cite?

[Mr Gray]

So Mr McClusky... Gave an almost exact id to Mr Smith but he was totally mistaken... It shows how reliable this type of evidence is

[Brietta]

Apparently Mr McClusky reported the van details to the police in Portugal. He made a statement when he got home after Northumbria Police contacted him. When the statement arrived at Portimao a handwritten comment was added to it;

"It has already been checked! They are Ukrainians from Alvor with a blonde daughter who attends the “A Flor” crèche in Portimao."

I assume the police had checked the van reg. number and identified the owners.

So his later statement in September in which he identified the woman as Kate McCann and the man as Gerry had already been investigated and answered.

The PJ didn't publicise any sightings and the McCanns wouldn't have seen the McClusky statements until they received the Files. As the matter had been dealt with, why would they publicise it?

Why would anyone wish to publicise Mr Smith's erroneous identification - the matter had been dealt with.

[Brietta]

Mr McClusky fingered both Kate and Gerry, unlike Mr Smith. The PJ ruled out the McClusky sighting very quickly, but they never ruled out the Smith one, imo, unless you have a cite?

You know I have a cite - how tiresome of you to demand one 😁

Reference to the sighting in the PJ's 57-page report summary
'Further on this issue, the testimony of MARTIN SMITH was considered, pages 1606 and following, reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a child, in one of the streets that lead to the beach. It was said that the child could be MADELEINE McCANN, although it was never peremptorily stated.

Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages 2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following.
It was established that at the time that was being mentioned,
GERALD McCANN was sitting at the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.'

[G-Unit]

You know I have a cite - how tiresome of you to demand one 😁

Reference to the sighting in the PJ's 57-page report summary
'Further on this issue, the testimony of MARTIN SMITH was considered, pages 1606 and following, reporting the sighting of an individual carrying a child, in one of the streets that lead to the beach. It was said that the child could be MADELEINE McCANN, although it was never peremptorily stated.

Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages 2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following.
It was established that at the time that was being mentioned,
GERALD McCANN was sitting at the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.'

So they decided it wasn't Gerry McCann and didn't wonder further who the man was and what he was doing? Somewhat remiss of Rebelo perhaps.

[Anthro]

Does security not matter on holiday then? I've always taken the same care with holiday accomodation as with my own. I also took as much care of my children on holiday as I did at home. I was actually amazed to learn that so many people seemingly educated and intelligent were prepared to say they would have done the same as the McCanns. A lot of others agree with me too imo.

You need to contextualise your statement. Spatial perception varies depending on one’s lifestyle.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Who was that then?

The chef?  I can’t remember his name but I do remember you saying he yad no reason to lie and you seemed to consider his statement relaible when we last discussed it.

[Brietta]

So they decided it wasn't Gerry McCann and didn't wonder further who the man was and what he was doing? Somewhat remiss of Rebelo perhaps.

The point is that Mr Smith's statement was ruled out after investigation which of course you already know. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Who was that then?

“ Pelega was the head chef, with responsibility for five kitchens around the site. They were, I think, the Millenium, the Tapas, two snack bars related to swimming pools and one other. As head chef he worked in the Millenium kitchen but organised and oversaw the others, which is why he visited the Tapas on 3rd. It's highly unlikely that he made a mistake with the times, imo, given his seniority and his responsibilities.”

Pelaga stated that the clamour at the table was at around 9.20pm, and you think it’s highly unlikely he made a mistake with the times.  But then you also think that

“ someone's recollections can't be used as facts”. 

[G-Unit]

“ Pelega was the head chef, with responsibility for five kitchens around the site. They were, I think, the Millenium, the Tapas, two snack bars related to swimming pools and one other. As head chef he worked in the Millenium kitchen but organised and oversaw the others, which is why he visited the Tapas on 3rd. It's highly unlikely that he made a mistake with the times, imo, given his seniority and his responsibilities.”

Pelaga stated that the clamour at the table was at around 9.20pm, and you think it’s highly unlikely he made a mistake with the times.  But then you also think that

“ someone's recollections can't be used as facts”.

If you're quoting me above, you may have noticed that I didn't post his recollections as if they were facts. I made it quite plain that I was expressing my opinion.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If you're quoting me above, you may have noticed that I didn't post his recollections as if they were facts. I made it quite plain that I was expressing my opinion.

It was your (contradictory) opinion I was highlighting.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Why would anyone wish to publicise Mr Smith's erroneous identification - the matter had been dealt with.

DCI Redwood appealed for Smithman information because he has never been accounted for. What’s odd in my mind is why Clarence Mitchell never appealed for information in public.

[Brietta]

DCI Redwood appealed for Smithman information because he has never been accounted for. What’s odd in my mind is why Clarence Mitchell never appealed for information in public.

You really are obsessing about Clarence Mitchell.  What makes you think that a civilian would have any locus interfering in an active police investigation by taking it upon himself to make public appeals?

The very notion is quite ridiculous.