The timeline revisited

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes of course.... but perhaps we can't accept that first statement..... all those translations etc etc etc..... I believe he is telling the truth in his rogatory statement.

I believe he is telling his truth in both statements, but events were fresher in his mind on the 4th May and while I accept that there may be translation errors I don’t believe they would be of such a magnitude as to translate a whole paragraph to more or less the complete opposite of what he actually said.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Listen very carefully to what was said.  I did.

Redwood says; "we're almost certain now that this sighting is not the abductor"

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I believe he is telling his truth in both statements, but events were fresher in his mind on the 4th May and while I accept that there may be translation errors I don’t believe they would be of such a magnitude as to translate a whole paragraph to more or less the complete opposite of what he actually said.

The second statement is clearer, far less vague, when questioned for more detail on the shutters, curtains and window.. He is also clearer in the rogatory statement about where the light is coming from and that the curtains are closed and that there are no draughts through the room. Both statements can't be an accurate description of the objective reality with regards to the light in the room.. I believe he is telling the truth in the second one. That is my honest opinion. Yes, agree it's much much later.... but he will have thought about the details of that check almost every day.

If he had found the scene that Kate described there would be no vagueness at all. It would have been obvious that the window was open and the shutters raised and there was a draught through the room. Even his first statement does not describe this with any degree of certainty... he just "seems to think the light might be coming from outside".

[jassi]

The second statement is clearer, far less vague, when questioned for more detail on the shutters, curtains and window.. He is also clearer in the rogatory statement about where the light is coming from and that the curtains are closed and that there are no draughts through the room. Both statements can't be an accurate description of the objective reality with regards to the light in the room.. I believe he is telling the truth in the second one. That is my honest opinion. Yes, agree it's much much later.... but he will have thought about the details of that check almost every day.

If he had found the scene that Kate described there would be no vagueness at all. It would have been obvious that the window was open and the shutters raised and there was a draught through the room. Even his first statement does not describe this with any degree of certainty... he just "seems to think the light might be coming from outside".

Unlike Tanner, he was being less  than helpful - IMO

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Unlike Tanner, he was being less  than helpful - IMO

IMO He appeared to me to become less helpful in terms of corroborating a 9:15 - 9:20pm abduction under the pressure of a UK Police interview. Less helpful than he had been in the earlier interview in PDL - and in my opinion the rogatory statement is the more accurate description of the curtains, window and shutters at 9:40pm.

[Lace]

The second statement is clearer, far less vague, when questioned for more detail on the shutters, curtains and window.. He is also clearer in the rogatory statement about where the light is coming from and that the curtains are closed and that there are no draughts through the room. Both statements can't be an accurate description of the objective reality with regards to the light in the room.. I believe he is telling the truth in the second one. That is my honest opinion. Yes, agree it's much much later.... but he will have thought about the details of that check almost every day.

If he had found the scene that Kate described there would be no vagueness at all. It would have been obvious that the window was open and the shutters raised and there was a draught through the room. Even his first statement does not describe this with any degree of certainty... he just "seems to think the light might be coming from outside".

There wouldn't be a draught if the wind wasn't blowing at the time.

[Lace]

I honestly believe it is fanciful to think he wouldn't have noticed the scene that Kate describes!!! Just read his rogatory statement... he directly describes what he saw when looking towards the window. It's clear the curtains are drawn, the window is closed and the shutters are down (he even describes that the light in the room is coming from behind him - the lamp - and not from street lighting outside.... and no through draught!!

So why did he say he saw yellow and green?

[Lace]

I believe he is telling his truth in both statements, but events were fresher in his mind on the 4th May and while I accept that there may be translation errors I don’t believe they would be of such a magnitude as to translate a whole paragraph to more or less the complete opposite of what he actually said.

I don't understand why anyone would think he was lying.   Why would he lie?

[Vertigo Swirl]

The second statement is clearer, far less vague, when questioned for more detail on the shutters, curtains and window.. He is also clearer in the rogatory statement about where the light is coming from and that the curtains are closed and that there are no draughts through the room. Both statements can't be an accurate description of the objective reality with regards to the light in the room.. I believe he is telling the truth in the second one. That is my honest opinion. Yes, agree it's much much later.... but he will have thought about the details of that check almost every day.

If he had found the scene that Kate described there would be no vagueness at all. It would have been obvious that the window was open and the shutters raised and there was a draught through the room. Even his first statement does not describe this with any degree of certainty... he just "seems to think the light might be coming from outside".

You are just picking and choosing what to believe to fit with your prejudices and beliefs I hope you’re aware of that.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I don't understand why anyone would think he was lying.   Why would he lie?

I didn’t say he was lying. I said in my opinion the rogatory statement is clearer on the state of the curtains, shutters and windows.

I also believe if he stood at the children’s bedroom door and looked into the room he would definitely have noticed that the curtains and window was open and the shutters fully raised. That’s my honest opinion.

[Eleanor]

You are just picking and choosing what to believe to fit with your prejudices and beliefs I hope you’re aware of that.

I am.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

You are just picking and choosing what to believe to fit with your prejudices and beliefs I hope you’re aware of that.

I’m applying common sense. If Matt finds the room as Kate described it’s common sense to recognise that he would notice the open window and fully raised shutters.

[Lace]

I’m applying common sense. If Matt finds the room as Kate described it’s common sense to recognise that he would notice the open window and fully raised shutters.

How would he notice the open window and fully raised shutters if the curtains were closed?

There were lace curtains under the checked ones,  these are the ones that were open IMO

[Vertigo Swirl]

I’m applying common sense. If Matt finds the room as Kate described it’s common sense to recognise that he would notice the open window and fully raised shutters.

No, you’re deciding to disregard completely his first and freshest recollection to suit your own beliefs.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

How would he notice the open window and fully raised shutters if the curtains were closed?

There were lace curtains under the checked ones,  these are the ones that were open IMO

I re-read Kate’s statements and her book when you mentioned that earlier and I found nothing to suggest she meant the net curtains and not the check ones.