The timeline revisited

[jassi]

Everyone emphasises that the alarm was raised at 10pm, by Kate, calling to Gerry. Does anyone testify that Gerry was seated at the table between 9.30pm and 9.55pm, or must we assume he's there even though his last reported words are at 9.30pm?

It's all beautifully vague. I wonder if anyone was asked that specific question.

[Brietta]

It's all beautifully vague. I wonder if anyone was asked that specific question.

I don't think it is vague at all.  I find the sceptic antics on this quite shameful and thoroughly lacking in common sense.

[jassi]

Ah well, that's your problem not mine.

[G-Unit]

It's all beautifully vague. I wonder if anyone was asked that specific question.

The timeline had been written on the sticker book covers and the main points identified.

[Brietta]

Ah well, that's your problem not mine.

Actually - I think that is something else you also have got entirely wrong.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Everyone emphasises that the alarm was raised at 10pm, by Kate, calling to Gerry. Does anyone testify that Gerry was seated at the table between 9.30pm and 9.55pm, or must we assume he's there even though his last reported words are at 9.30pm?

Yes I really think we must unless you think they all neglected to mention that shortly after he returned from his first check that he left the table again for another 25 minutes, making him absent for pretty much the entire evening!!

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's all beautifully vague. I wonder if anyone was asked that specific question.

What is beautifully vague is the sceptic idea of parental involvement.  They don't know how, when or why they dunnit, only that they did!

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Did you miss the fact that Dr. Totman would have been walking in the wrong direction?

I have no desire to trash DCI Redwood, but he doesn't seem to have known very much about the layout of Praia da Luz or where The Creche actually was in relation to the appartment of Dr. Totman.

I’m staggered that it takes him until 2013 to establish something that was accounted for in 2007…. And then in the same Crimewatch show Smithman is suddenly presented as a new breakthrough. They appeal for anyone who may have seen this man to get in touch with the finest detectives SY have…. Yet fail to mention the family who saw the man have already come forward and given statements!!!! You couldn’t make it up!! And one last point why did Dr Totman still have an Ocean Club blanket in 2013…. My money is on the pyjamas and blanket photo dating back to spring 2007. Of course I could be totally wrong!!

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

What is beautifully vague is the sceptic idea of parental involvement.  They don't know how, when or why they dunnit, only that they did!

And where is the abductor? SY have spent over 10 years and over £10 million on this case. Yet not one alleged abductor has been found. All we have are stories of jemmied shutters in the UK media which turn out to be nonsense, a door that was ajar, a window that one of the T7 started to "hear stories" about being open and two men seen carrying a child. One was ignored for years but was described as looking like Gerry McCann. The other was Dr Totman, a man who played tennis with Gerry reportedly, returning from the crèche with his daughter (at a time when the shutters were down). The latter identified himself in 2007 but was widely held up to be the actual abductor until 2013!!! He still features on the Find Madeleine website to this day! The whole abductor theory is vague. There's nothing concrete to prove it despite the best efforts of Britain's finest detectives.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

The problem here is that most ordinary people despite not being stupid do not realise what is relevant and what isn't.  But presuming that they might have an inkling they then just chuck in any old thing to deflect from what is relevant.

I think Eddie's reaction immediately upon entering the apartment is relevant. Most people understand this.

"Ok what was done was we deployed the victim recovery dog into the apartment and by experience and the training of the dog what I first noticed is that as soon as I came in that the dog was very excited and as a handler I can pick up his body language etc and it would appear to me that as soon as he has come into the house he's picked up a scent that he recognises and he has then gone through the apartment trying to source where that scent source has come from " (Martin Grime)

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

7) what sort of absolute idiot murderer raises the alarm and then immediately puts themselves in close proximity to their victim’s body by parading it through the streets?

I don't believe Madeleine was murdered.... but have you ever watched Quest Red - Caught on CCTV.... you'd be surprised at the audacity!! Smithman, whoever he was, walked hurriedly with his head down carrying a child that could have been sleeping or appeared to be. After all PDL is known for men in biege trousers carrying children about at night!! There was two on trhe night in question!! Also "paraded" is a very poor choice of word. It does not accurately describe the actions of Smithman.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't believe Madeleine was murdered.... but have you ever watched Quest Red - Caught on CCTV.... you'd be surprised at the audacity!! Smithman, whoever he was, walked hurriedly with his head down carrying a child that could have been sleeping or appeared to be. After all PDL is known for men in biege trousers carrying children about at night!! There was two on trhe night in question!! Also "paraded" is a very poor choice of word. It does not accurately describe the actions of Smithman.

”Paraded” suggests audacity, a word you yourself use to describe such actions.  I will continue to use “paraded” as a word to describe the alleged audacious actions of a man who carries the uncovered corpse of his daughter through town, having just raised the alarm about her disappearance. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

You forgot to mention the abductor opening the children's bedroom twice between 8:30 and 9:40pm.... and evading being caught during two checks, and only opening the shutters after 9:40pm.. And inexplicably opening the shutters but not the curtains according to opinion here.. The accomplice on the other side must have been well annoyed having to wait 45 minutes to an hour after the first abductor went inside! Where did the accomplice wait all that time? Why did no-one on the checks see them? How did they know to be the other side of the window at precisely the correct time? It's not plausible or logical either imo. No wonder SY haven't found this abductor and their accomplice.

Yet when Eddie sets foot in the entrance to 5A his behaviour changes immediately.

I think you are clinging on to a few inches of door movement as remembered by different individuals  to cast ridicule on the notion of an abductor.    It’s a red herring imo that can be explained as movement caused by a draught when entering the apartment during checks.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

”Paraded” suggests audacity, a word you yourself use to describe such actions.  I will continue to use “paraded” as a word to describe the alleged audacious actions of a man who carries the uncovered corpse of his daughter through town, having just raised the alarm about her disappearance.

The same applies to your abductor... The man DCI Redwood needs help from the public to identify!! The man it took DCI Redwood six years to realise the significance of!! Your abductor walked through the streets with a sleeping or dead child.... far less audacious for a parent to carry their own child imo.... who would bat an eye lid at a dad carrying his sleeping child?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I think you are clinging on to a few inches of door movement as remembered by different individuals  to cast ridicule on the notion of an abductor.    It’s a red herring imo that can be explained as movement caused by a draught when entering the apartment during checks.

A red herring that is brought up by Gerry, Kate and Matt imo. It's used to cement an abductor entering a child's bedroom. They say so themselves!! I'd like to offer another explanation it is possible Madeloeine woke and opened the door to look for her missing parents.... you can't refuse to believe that scenario is a very real possibility. Madeleine was known to wake and wonder. She'd been left without adult supervision in a holiday apartment. How frightening might that have been for her? Not to mention a situation fraught with risk imo as events later demonstrated.