The timeline revisited

[Uncle Jr]

I'm not sure what all this fascination is with Mrs, Fenn.. If it's true then it gives more opportunity for an abduction.

I suggested that earlier if you care to read back.
But I'm not fascinated by anything, Mrs. Fenn's account was corroborated by Kate herself - the kids had been crying, so it's safe to assume she heard them crying on the night she described.
So the fact that they were crying actually put them more at risk, although that's easy to say with hindsight.

[Eleanor]

I suggested that earlier if you care to read back.
But I'm not fascinated by anything, Mrs. Fenn's account was corroborated by Kate herself - the kids had been crying, so it's safe to assume she heard them crying on the night she described.
So the fact that they were crying actually put them more at risk, although that's easy to say with hindsight.

No, it isn't safe to assume.

A few more IMOs would help.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think it’s been well established that the McCanns left their kids alone and that their kids  cried though for how long on both counts is up for debate, though what purpose such debate serves 14 years dwon the line apart from yet another opportunity for more sanctimonious clap trap I’m not entirely sure.

[Uncle Jr]

No, it isn't safe to assume.

A few more IMOs would help.

Assumption in my post = my opinion.

[Eleanor]

I think it’s been well established that the McCanns left their kids alone and that their kids  cried though for how long on both counts is up for debate, though what purpose such debate serves 14 years dwon the line apart from yet another opportunity for more sanctimonious clap trap I’m not entirely sure.

No, nor am I.  Madeleine appears to have asked a question of her Mother, but we still don't know when or at what time this was related to.

[Eleanor]

Assumption in my post = my opinion.

"Safe" does not.

[Uncle Jr]

No, nor am I.  Madeleine appears to have asked a question of her Mother, but we still don't know when or at what time this was related to.

Well we can narrow it down. It wasn't the previous Christmas, it was on holiday. So there's that.
Then the apparent exchange occurred on the Tuesday / Wednesday morning (can't recall), so she's referring to the previous night, either the Monday night or Tuesday night.
Then we can narrow it down further if we take the established routine as a guide, between 20.00 and 24.00 roughly.

There you go, I've narrowed it right down to 2 x 4 hour windows. Not that difficult really, just need to put your mind to it.
Sanctimony aside, out on the town 3 or 4 nights on the bounce, quite the window of opportunity for a predator, the risk of which is exponentially increased by leaving the door unlocked.

[Vertigo Swirl]

LOL at "out on the town".  I'm amazed you didn't reach for "out on the piss" frankly.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You know, those online commentators that aren't pointing the finger at Cleo Smith's parents as the culprits in her disappearance are instead blaming them for letting her sleep in a separate compartment of the tent to the one they were in and for having such a bloody big tent.  I mean what sort of a parent even DOES that?!  And then there are those that blame them for taking little children on a camping holiday in the first place.  Maybe they dunnit, maybe they didn't dunnit but whatever the outcome there will always be online commentators usually "perfect parents" who think it's their duty to pass judgement before all the facts are known. 

[Eleanor]

You know, those online commentators that aren't pointing the finger at Cleo Smith's parents as the culprits in her disappearance are instead blaming them for letting her sleep in a separate compartment of the tent to the one they were in and for having such a bloody big tent.  I mean what sort of a parent even DOES that?!  And then there are those that blame them for taking little children on a camping holiday in the first place.  Maybe they dunnit, maybe they didn't dunnit but whatever the outcome there will always be online commentators usually "perfect parents" who think it's their duty to pass judgement before all the facts are known.

Perfect Parents could have been the bane of my life.

My middle son was climbing the garden gate and bogging off to The Kampong at the age of four years old when I wasn't even sure where The Kampong was.
My Amah wasn't watching him you see.  She was much more interested in my baby.  I can't remember what I was doing at the time.  Probably at the beach.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Perfect Parents could have been the bane of my life.

My middle son was climbing the garden gate and bogging off to The Kampong at the age of four years old when I wasn't even sure where The Kampong was.
My Amah wasn't watching him you see.  She was much more interested in my baby.  I can't remember what I was doing at the time.  Probably at the beach.

Maybe that's why we're not so hard on the McCanns being or having had similarly laissez faire parents.  I spent most of my childhood playing in rivers, jungles and rubber plantations whilst my mother played mah jong or smoked and drank tea while poring over a copy of the Straits Times.  Of course I was also left unattended in the evenings when my parents went out "on the town" and here I am scarred for life and brimming with resentment towards them, the evil gits.

[Brietta]

I think it’s been well established that the McCanns left their kids alone and that their kids  cried though for how long on both counts is up for debate, though what purpose such debate serves 14 years dwon the line apart from yet another opportunity for more sanctimonious clap trap I’m not entirely sure.

I believe the purpose is what it has always been and that is to put the boot into the McCanns with little or no provenance.

Mind you I think it does throw up another conundrum for sceptics about exactly what to go for ~ the supposition the dastardly deed occurred on the Sunday or the Levy publication of Mrs Fenn's statement which makes reference to a child crying.  Proving only that there were children in the apartment block.

Can anyone explain the importance of Mrs Fenn's statement with relevance to the kidnap on the third of May.  Or might someone care to offer an explanation why a person who might very well have been a material witness to events of the third of May wasn't interviewed by the Policia Judiciaria until the twentieth of August.

[Eleanor]

Maybe that's why we're not so hard on the McCanns being or having had similarly laissez faire parents.  I spent most of my childhood playing in rivers, jungles and rubber plantations whilst my mother played mah jong or smoked and drank tea while poring over a copy of the Straits Times.  Of course I was also left unattended in the evenings when my parents went out "on the town" and here I am scarred for life and brimming with resentment towards them, the evil gits.

I couldn't have kept my little swine in doors if I'd tried.  And of course The Kampong was so much more interesting.

My Amah would take my baby to The Kampong on Chinese holidays.  Well, I couldn't be bothered with the whinging little brat.
Although I don't remember playing Mah Jong.  Probably a bit too complicated for me.  Or perhaps not complicated enough.

[Wonderfulspam]

You know, those online commentators that aren't pointing the finger at Cleo Smith's parents as the culprits in her disappearance are instead blaming them for letting her sleep in a separate compartment of the tent to the one they were in and for having such a bloody big tent.  I mean what sort of a parent even DOES that?!  And then there are those that blame them for taking little children on a camping holiday in the first place.  Maybe they dunnit, maybe they didn't dunnit but whatever the outcome there will always be online commentators usually "perfect parents" who think it's their duty to pass judgement before all the facts are known.

I don't know why people have solid front doors on their houses if keeping your valuables behind a thin nylon sheet & zipper is adequate & it's never your fault if they get stolen.

[Erngath]

It is never,  ever the victim's fault if something is stolen from them.
It is always the fault of the thief.