The timeline revisited

[Eleanor]

The man seen by Martin Smith and his family:

From: Long Lindsay
Sent: 20th September, 2007 11:37
CC: Hughes John (DC)
Re: Smith Family

Rec via: TELEPHONE Series: 241 Ident: BC19-8286-1055 20/09/07
Telephone: *********
Locale: Portugal/Out of country
Origin: Mr. Martin Smith 'Ireland

Text: Reported that he passed a male carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Maddie went missing. Went and made a statement to Portugal police in Portimao on 26th of May and returned to the U.K. Is saying that after seeing McCANNS on the news on 9th of September when they returned to the U.K. He has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing. He also watched ITV news and SKY news and inferred it looked like the same person both times carrying the children. Is asking a member of the OP Task Force to ring him back. He was with a group of 9 family and friends the night he saw the male in Portugal. He sounded quite shaken and worried whilst speaking to me.


https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

This is getting embarrassing now.  None of the rest of Martin Smith's family agreed with him.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Or maybe why Clarence Mitchell allegedly ignored Smithman.... imo

We’ve already discussed this recently I thought?

[Vertigo Swirl]

As I wrote to CEOPs - if they had evidence of stranger abduction they should share it with the Police not with a PR man who was acting for people who at the time (of his claim - not the alleged "private briefings") were arguidos. You might "not care" about justice and  due legal process - but I most certainly do.... The Australian Police did not brief any PR Consultants acting for potential suspects as far as I know.

Who said CEOP shared evidence with Mitchell? What evidence?  Do you have a cite?

PS: the Australian police briefed the world’s media on their opinion regarding the case, was the preferable in your view?

[Vertigo Swirl]

The man seen by Martin Smith and his family:

From: Long Lindsay
Sent: 20th September, 2007 11:37
CC: Hughes John (DC)
Re: Smith Family

Rec via: TELEPHONE Series: 241 Ident: BC19-8286-1055 20/09/07
Telephone: *********
Locale: Portugal/Out of country
Origin: Mr. Martin Smith 'Ireland

Text: Reported that he passed a male carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Maddie went missing. Went and made a statement to Portugal police in Portimao on 26th of May and returned to the U.K. Is saying that after seeing McCANNS on the news on 9th of September when they returned to the U.K. He has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 pm news on BBC and saw the McCANNS getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the other male seen the night Maddy went missing. He also watched ITV news and SKY news and inferred it looked like the same person both times carrying the children. Is asking a member of the OP Task Force to ring him back. He was with a group of 9 family and friends the night he saw the male in Portugal. He sounded quite shaken and worried whilst speaking to me.


https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

And yet the archiving report put Gerry at the Tapas table when this was all going on - perhaps Gerry had a twin brother he never mentioned?

[Vertigo Swirl]

This is getting embarrassing now.  None of the rest of Martin Smith's family agreed with him.

In Sceptic Land 60%-80% Smith certain = 100% definitely Gerry, whereas 100% certain (when it’s HCW expressing it) = haven’t got a clue.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

This is getting embarrassing now.  None of the rest of Martin Smith's family agreed with him.

Peter Smith:
The description of the individual who carried the child was: Caucasian, around 175 to 180 cm tall. About 35 years, or older. He was somewhat tanned as a result of sun exposure. Average build, in good shape. Short hair, brown in colour. He does not remember if he wore glasses, or had a beard or a moustache. He did not notice any other relevant details as the lighting was bad.
— He also does not remember the clothing the individual wore or his shoes. He states that he did not notice those details as his pregnant wife was somewhat ill and he was constantly attending to her, not caring about observation of the individual.

Aoife Smith:
The deponent remembers that upon reaching the top of the stairs, she looked to her left and saw a man (1) with a female child (2) in his arms, walking along the pavement of Rua 25 de Abril. He was walking in her direction at a distance of, give or take, two metres.
— The deponent crossed to the other side of Rua 25 de Abril and began walking up Rua da Escola Primária in the direction of the Estrela da Luz apartment complex.
— She did not see if the referenced individual with the child descended Rua das Escadinhas or if he continued along Rua 25 de Abril.
— It was the first time she saw that man. She does not remember seeing him at any time in any location.
— She has seen photographs of Madeleine McCann and thinks that it could have been her. Asked, she said she was 60% certain.
— The description below made about the man and the female child that the witness saw was made at around 22H00, when the lighting was weak.
— Questioned, states that probably she would not be able to recognise either the individual or the child.
Personal Description:
— (1) the individual was male, Caucasian, light-skinned, between 20/30 years of age, of normal physical build, around 1,70/1,75 metres in height. At the time she saw his face but now cannot remember it. She thinks that he had a clean-shaven face. She does not remember seeing tattoos, scars or earrings. She did not notice his ears. His hair was thick-ish, light brown in colour, short at the back (normal) and a bit longer on the top.
— His trousers were smooth "rights" along the legs, beige in colour, cotton fabric, thicker than linen, possibly with buttons, and without any other decoration.
— She did not see what he was wearing above his trousers as the child covered him almost completely at the top.
— She did not see what shoes he was wearing.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Who said CEOP shared evidence with Mitchell? What evidence?  Do you have a cite?

PS: the Australian police briefed the world’s media, was the preferable in your view?

I didn't say they "shared evidence" with him. That's just strawman deflection, imo, and with all due respect.

Mitchell said he had "private briefings" that reassured him this was a case of stranger abduction.

I wrote to CEOPs and part of what I said was "if you have evidence of stranger abduction, that must be shared with the investigating Police force and not divulged to a PR man working", at the time I wrote, "for arguidos".

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

And yet the archiving report put Gerry at the Tapas table when this was all going on - perhaps Gerry had a twin brother he never mentioned?

I thought you had no faith in the PJ investigation?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

In Sceptic Land 60%-80% Smith certain = 100% definitely Gerry, whereas 100% certain (when it’s HCW expressing it) = haven’t got a clue.

Who said it was 100% Gerry? Do you have a cite?

[Eleanor]

Peter Smith:
The description of the individual who carried the child was: Caucasian, around 175 to 180 cm tall. About 35 years, or older. He was somewhat tanned as a result of sun exposure. Average build, in good shape. Short hair, brown in colour. He does not remember if he wore glasses, or had a beard or a moustache. He did not notice any other relevant details as the lighting was bad.
— He also does not remember the clothing the individual wore or his shoes. He states that he did not notice those details as his pregnant wife was somewhat ill and he was constantly attending to her, not caring about observation of the individual.

Aoife Smith:
The deponent remembers that upon reaching the top of the stairs, she looked to her left and saw a man (1) with a female child (2) in his arms, walking along the pavement of Rua 25 de Abril. He was walking in her direction at a distance of, give or take, two metres.
— The deponent crossed to the other side of Rua 25 de Abril and began walking up Rua da Escola Primária in the direction of the Estrela da Luz apartment complex.
— She did not see if the referenced individual with the child descended Rua das Escadinhas or if he continued along Rua 25 de Abril.
— It was the first time she saw that man. She does not remember seeing him at any time in any location.
— She has seen photographs of Madeleine McCann and thinks that it could have been her. Asked, she said she was 60% certain.
— The description below made about the man and the female child that the witness saw was made at around 22H00, when the lighting was weak.
— Questioned, states that probably she would not be able to recognise either the individual or the child.
Personal Description:
— (1) the individual was male, Caucasian, light-skinned, between 20/30 years of age, of normal physical build, around 1,70/1,75 metres in height. At the time she saw his face but now cannot remember it. She thinks that he had a clean-shaven face. She does not remember seeing tattoos, scars or earrings. She did not notice his ears. His hair was thick-ish, light brown in colour, short at the back (normal) and a bit longer on the top.
— His trousers were smooth "rights" along the legs, beige in colour, cotton fabric, thicker than linen, possibly with buttons, and without any other decoration.
— She did not see what he was wearing above his trousers as the child covered him almost completely at the top.
— She did not see what shoes he was wearing.

Well, thank you for that.  What does it mean?

Do you think that this is a fit description of Gerald McCann who happened to be elsewhere at the time?

God preserve me.  Why am I still doing this?  Good manners not withstanding.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

And yet the archiving report put Gerry at the Tapas table when this was all going on - perhaps Gerry had a twin brother he never mentioned?

Which makes it all the more illogical that Mitchell ignored the sighting, imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I didn't say they "shared evidence" with him. That's just strawman deflection, imo, and with all due respect.

Mitchell said he had "private briefings" that reassured him this was a case of stranger abduction.

I wrote to CEOPs and part of what I said was "if you have evidence of stranger abduction, that must be shared with the investigating Police force and not divulged to a PR man working", at the time I wrote, "for arguidos".

This implies you believe CEOP shared evidence with Mitchell, unless you can put another spin on it?  But gee, I bet they were ever so grateful to you for telling them how to do their jobs.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I thought you had no faith in the PJ investigation?

I don’t.  Do you?  Let me guess.  Yes, all apart from that bit. 

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

This implies you believe CEOP shared evidence with Mitchell, unless you can put another spin on it?  But gee, I bet they were ever so grateful to you for telling them how to do their jobs.

Only Mitchell can answer what was said that "reassured" him this was "a case of stranger abduction".

[Vertigo Swirl]

Who said it was 100% Gerry? Do you have a cite?

Only about a billion posts and tweets by sceptics across the internet who are utterly convinced Gerry = Smithman.  Now tell me you’ve never read a single one of them and think I must be mistaken.