Author Topic: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?  (Read 20593 times)

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Offline jassi

I thought at the time he was a self-employed consultant and contracted to S.Yorks police?

In any event he left S.Yorks police in Aug 2007 to market himself as a consultant?

How come S.Yorks police got involved?  I thought Leic were dealing with all the UK based stuff until SY got involved?

Whose idea was it to deploy the dogs?  Did Leic contact S.Yorks?

I'm assuming the dogs were the property of S.Yorks?  If so were they some sort of leaving present for MG or did he do a deal with S.Yorks and purchase them for his new commercial venture?

As I understand it, Leicester were acting as the coordinating Force within UK. Other agencies such as CEOP were also involved .
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Offline misty

I thought at the time he was a self-employed consultant and contracted to S.Yorks police?

In any event he left S.Yorks police in Aug 2007 to market himself as a consultant?

How come S.Yorks police got involved?  I thought Leic were dealing with all the UK based stuff until SY got involved?

Whose idea was it to deploy the dogs?  Did Leic contact S.Yorks?

I'm assuming the dogs were the property of S.Yorks?  If so were they some sort of leaving present for MG or did he do a deal with S.Yorks and purchase them for his new commercial venture?

Grime worked in Operational Support with S. Yorks police (dog section).
He co-trained Keela on a unique non-ACPO programme with Mark Harrison of NPIA. They may have been sponsored by Keela International.
Mark Harrison (geo-forensics expert) did a scoping report in Luz on behalf of UK police for PJ to determine where Madeleine's body may have been hidden/buried if she had been murdered. It was Harrison's recommendation to deploy specialist dogs but he only quoted the fees for Eddie & Keela, not other UK dog teams.
Harrison also worked with Vicky Coupland during his time with Bedfordshire police. Vicky Coupland went on to become the State of Jersey Forensics manager and in 2008 Grime was deployed there with Eddie & Keela in the Haut de la Garenne investigation. Most of Grime's time in Jersey was spent as a crime scene investigator, a role he was not qualified for.
You will find this document interesting reading. https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20Operation%20Rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20BDO%20Alto.pdf
Note that Grime failed to provide any training records for SOJ police, despite having been requested to do so.

Offline G-Unit

Might not be too much of a problem when you have 'Stu' and Gamble as best buddies   8(0(*

Not to mention Ambassador John Buck and President of ACPO Ken Jones.
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Offline Mr Gray

does the report by misty suggest grime lied about his acpo status in Jersey...there are 7 pages devoted to criticising Grime and his use in the investigation...doesnt anyone find that astonishing


Mr grime was not ACPO accredited despite his claims to be so


« Last Edit: July 06, 2019, 07:45:44 PM by Davel »

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Not to mention Ambassador John Buck and President of ACPO Ken Jones.

And a very flawed PJ Detective who shouldn't have been in charge of the case in the first place.

Offline jassi

And a very flawed PJ Detective who shouldn't have been in charge of the case in the first place.

We were discussing those who might have eased Gerry's path to Grime's boss.
Nothing to do with Amaral, but I guess you just couldn't resist  ?{)(**
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Offline Mr Gray

 i think what we see in both Jersey and PDL..and it can be supported by evidence....is the lead detectives ..amaral and harper...falling for the hype around the dog alerts
« Last Edit: July 06, 2019, 09:40:29 AM by Davel »

Offline Robittybob1

what we see in both Jersey and PDL...is the lead detectives ..amral and harper...falling for the hype around the dog alerts
That must be opinion so where is the required "IMO"!
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Offline Mr Gray

That must be opinion so where is the required "IMO"!

if you like but in the case of harper ...the report posted by misty says just that ..and Amaral made claims such as..
the dogs have solved 200 cases...and helped find a childs body under flag stones in jersey... i think thats proof more than opinion

The report on Jersey goes into detail about how Harpers reliance on JAR 6... the coconut ...took the investigation into the wrong direction
« Last Edit: July 06, 2019, 09:38:23 AM by Davel »

Offline G-Unit

And a very flawed PJ Detective who shouldn't have been in charge of the case in the first place.

I don't think he was in charge.
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Offline Mr Gray

I don't think he was in charge.

so you accept he was flawed...lol

Offline Robittybob1

if you like but in the case of harper ...the report posted by misty says just that ..and Amaral made claims such as..
the dogs have solved 200 cases...and helped find a childs body under flag stones in jersey... i think thats proof more than opinion
When people enquire for your opinion I hope you don't give them a spiel  like that.  Your opinion is possibly correct but IMO it is still opinion.
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Offline Mr Gray

When people enquire for your opinion I hope you don't give them a spiel  like that.  Your opinion is possibly correct but IMO it is still opinion.

I dont give anyone any spiel...lol....

Offline Robittybob1

I dont give anyone any spiel...lol....
Do I not count? 
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Offline Mr Gray

Do I not count?

its your opinion and no...your opinion doesnt count