Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

The enquiry was a joint enquiry involving Michael Kellet an experienced SIO.. I'm sure he would be familiar with ACPO  guidelines

So when did Grime's accreditation lapse?

[pathfinder73]

Yes now he's changed his mind on how the alerts can be corroborated he can build himself a very lucrative career

The FBI came to them for help.

30 DEC 2005

"In the New Year, Keela will be travelling to America to assist the FBI with two murder inquiries.
 
A South Yorkshire force spokeswoman said the crime scene investigation dog has saved more then £200,000 nationally since April this year, helping with investigations in Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and the Thames Valley areas.

Her handler, PC Martin Grime, has been responsible for training Keela, along with National Search Adviser Mark Harrison, since June last year.

Unlike ordinary police dogs, Keela has never taken part in the usual six-week training course but has been trained, bit by bit, by PC Grime every day.

Mr Ellis and Mr Grimes came up with a special training regime to focus on Keela's remarkable skills. It has proved so successful that the FBI has inquired about it. "The FBI is very interested in how we work because they don't have this sort of facility in-house and they are looking at setting up their own unit," Mr Ellis said.

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id157.htm

[Mr Gray]

The FBI came to them for help.

30 DEC 2005

"In the New Year, Keela will be travelling to America to assist the FBI with two murder inquiries.
 
A South Yorkshire force spokeswoman said the crime scene investigation dog has saved more then £200,000 nationally since April this year, helping with investigations in Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and the Thames Valley areas.

Her handler, PC Martin Grime, has been responsible for training Keela, along with National Search Adviser Mark Harrison, since June last year.

Unlike ordinary police dogs, Keela has never taken part in the usual six-week training course but has been trained, bit by bit, by PC Grime every day.

Mr Ellis and Mr Grimes came up with a special training regime to focus on Keela's remarkable skills. It has proved so successful that the FBI has inquired about it. "The FBI is very interested in how we work because they don't have this sort of facility in-house and they are looking at setting up their own unit," Mr Ellis said.

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id157.htm

That article ia about Keela... Not eddie

Keela finds evidence... She is judged on the evidence she finds..

That does answer a question... It was Keela the Americans were interested in

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

DaveL - What was the date that Grime's ACPO accreditation lapsed?

[Mr Gray]

DaveL - What was the date that Grime's ACPO accreditation lapsed?

You would need to ask the policeman.. SIO Michael Kellet.. Who helped write the report

[pathfinder73]

That article ia about Keela... Not eddie

Keela finds evidence... She is judged on the evidence she finds..

That does answer a question... It was Keela the Americans were interested in

Eddie was tested by the FBI at their body farm to find out how good he was. Eddie's enhanced training was on human cadaver scent.

"Pavlov's theory is used in the case of the E.V.R.D. system of alert. He has been 'conditioned' to give a
verbal alert when coming into contact with 'dead body scent'. The presence of tangible material is not required to produce the response merely the scent itself."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Mr Gray]

Eddie was tested by the FBI at their body farm to find out how good he was. Eddie's enhanced training was on human cadaver scent.

"Pavlov's theory is used in the case of the E.V.R.D. system of alert. He has been 'conditioned' to give a
verbal alert when coming into contact with 'dead body scent'. The presence of tangible material is not required to produce the response merely the scent itself."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

So what.. Eddie still reacted to pig meat and whatever else we don't know... Because he never seems to have been tested properly from what I can see

[pathfinder73]

ALL cadaver dogs alert to pig cadavers so stop spreading myths about pig meat and other nonsense!
 
In my role as advisor to the U.S. Justice Department I have facilitated
assessment of numerous cadaver search dog teams in the United States.
These dogs are exclusively trained using human cadaver sources. When I
introduced decomposing pig cadavers into training assessments 100 % of the
animals alerted to the medium. (The products were obtained from whole piglet
cadaver not processed food for human consumption). The result from
scientific experiments and research to date is suggestive that the scent of
human and pig decomposing material is so similar that we are unable to 'train'
the dog to distinguish between the two. That is not to say that this may not be
possible in the future.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Mr Gray]

ALL cadaver dogs alert to pig cadavers so stop spreading myths about pig meat and other nonsense!
 
In my role as advisor to the U.S. Justice Department I have facilitated
assessment of numerous cadaver search dog teams in the United States.
These dogs are exclusively trained using human cadaver sources. When I
introduced decomposing pig cadavers into training assessments 100 % of the
animals alerted to the medium. (The products were obtained from whole piglet
cadaver not processed food for human consumption). The result from
scientific experiments and research to date is suggestive that the scent of
human and pig decomposing material is so similar that we are unable to 'train'
the dog to distinguish between the two. That is not to say that this may not be
possible in the future.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

I'm not spreading myths.. I'm pointing out the truth... Do all cadaver dogs react to antique furniture too... Anything else to add to the list... According to grime teeth have been crossed off

[pathfinder73]

If a cadaver has been in contact with furniture then yes the dog can alert.

'How long does a cadaver have to be in contact with a surface or an object for the odour to be detected''?

Martin Grime: Cross-contamination is immediate.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

[Mr Gray]

If a cadaver has been in contact with furniture then yes the dog can alert.

'How long does a cadaver have to be in contact with a surface or an object for the odour to be detected''?

Martin Grime: Cross-contamination is immediate.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

So a cadaver dig will react to just about anything thst has ever been in contact with a cadaver or has been contaminated by something else that has been in contact with a cadaver... The list must be endless

[Vertigo Swirl]

If a cadaver has been in contact with furniture then yes the dog can alert.

'How long does a cadaver have to be in contact with a surface or an object for the odour to be detected''?

Martin Grime: Cross-contamination is immediate.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

Why did the dog not alert to Gerry’s jacket or trousers, the ones he was photographed since the disappearance, the ones that people hold up as evidence that he was Smithman?

[Mr Gray]

Can you imagine an undertaker on a day out... He would be contaminating just about everywhere

[pathfinder73]

Why did the dog not alert to Gerry’s jacket or trousers, the ones he was photographed since the disappearance, the ones that people hold up as evidence that he was Smithman?

Point them out to me in the clothes testing footage? Cheers.

[G-Unit]

You would need to ask the policeman.. SIO Michael Kellet.. Who helped write the report

Another retired policeman offering his 'expert' opinion. They get everywhere, don't they?