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Offline jassi

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2019, 01:49:23 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 22, 2019, 01:48:07 PM
That is what theories are about.  Cars had been invented by 2007.

No theories cannot be based solely on invention. There has to be some basis of fact underpinning them
Anything less would be rejected by any competent police force.
IMO
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2019, 01:53:08 PM »
Quote from: jassi on July 22, 2019, 01:49:23 PM
No theories cannot be based solely on invention. There has to be some basis of fact underpinning them
IMO
What there are cars in the car parks and cars using the roads.    The PJ put patrols on the bridge across to Spain.  They must have been thinking in terms of abduction using a car in that case.  Alerts were made to Faro airport.  A car would be used if they got that far too.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2019, 01:54:44 PM »
Quote from: jassi on July 22, 2019, 01:44:14 PM
A car has been invented by you to fit your theory - IMO

I base it in part on the fact the GNR search and rescue dogs did not pick up MM's scent outside the immediate vicinity.
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Offline jassi

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2019, 01:56:42 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 22, 2019, 01:54:44 PM
I base it in part on the fact the GNR search and rescue dogs did not pick up MM's scent outside the immediate vicinity.


And that proves the existence of a car?  I don't think so.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2019, 01:57:11 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 22, 2019, 10:10:44 AM
If an abductor entered 5A it is almost certain he/she wore gloves.  Do we know if police soc investigators or forensics looked for glove prints?

TPN: What did you find at the apartment?

No signs of forced entry. There were no signs of glove marks on the window. We compiled a report of the evidence we collected, but we are not here to accuse anyone.

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/exclusive-in-english-former-maddie-cop-interview/24788
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2019, 01:57:58 PM »
Quote from: barrier on July 22, 2019, 01:43:32 PM
That's assuming the times are an absolute not an estimate,a couple of minutes either way narrows the time.

in the absence of some digital/satellite recording them a timeline is only going to be approx.  Of course a couple of mins either way narrows the time or widens it.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2019, 01:59:10 PM »
Quote from: jassi on July 22, 2019, 01:56:42 PM

And that proves the existence of a car?  I don't think so.

Agreed it doesn't prove the existence of a car but it does what I said it does, offers some support to the theory.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2019, 02:01:19 PM »
Quote from: jassi on July 22, 2019, 01:56:42 PM

And that proves the existence of a car?  I don't think so.
But it doesn't exclude it either.  Therefore it is valid to include it in a theory.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2019, 02:03:41 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 22, 2019, 01:57:11 PM
TPN: What did you find at the apartment?

No signs of forced entry. There were no signs of glove marks on the window. We compiled a report of the evidence we collected, but we are not here to accuse anyone.

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/exclusive-in-english-former-maddie-cop-interview/24788

I haven't had time to read the article yet but based on what you've quoted above did they look for glove prints or marks eg fibres?  And did they check the doors and gate for glove prints?
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Offline jassi

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2019, 02:04:21 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 22, 2019, 02:01:19 PM
But it doesn't exclude it either.  Therefore it is valid to include it in a theory.

Not in my opinion.
If a car had been seen driving off, it would be valid to claim that Madeleine might have been in it, even though she wasn't observed.
To say there might have been a car that might have contained Madeleine is nonsense as far as I'm concerned.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2019, 02:06:09 PM »
Quote from: jassi on July 22, 2019, 02:04:21 PM
Not in my opinion.
If a car had been seen driving off, it would be valid to claim that Madeleine might have been in it, even though she wasn't observed.
To say there might have been a car that might have contained Madeleine is nonsense as far as I'm concerned.
Are we allowed to use the word "nonsense"?
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Offline jassi

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2019, 02:08:05 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on July 22, 2019, 02:06:09 PM
Are we allowed to use the word "nonsense"?

I do hope so, as I've just done so  8(0(*
I'm claiming the idea is nonsense, not commenting on the poster.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2019, 02:09:43 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on July 22, 2019, 01:59:10 PM
Agreed it doesn't prove the existence of a car but it does what I said it does, offers some support to the theory.

lol well it can't support the theory if it doesn't exist. If witnesses had mentioned a car then I would look closer.

The only reason I Can think of for MBM's scent to stop suddenly was; if she woke and wandered in her bare feet and got picked up at the spot mentioned.

This could be picked up by a stranger or someone known to her can carried back to the flat or somewhere else.
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Offline jassi

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2019, 02:11:56 PM »
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on July 22, 2019, 02:09:43 PM
lol well it can't support the theory if it doesn't exist. If witnesses had mentioned a car then I would look closer.

The only reason I Can think of for MBM's scent to stop suddenly was; if she woke and wandered in her bare feet and got picked up at the spot mentioned.

This could be picked up by a stranger or someone known to her can carried back to the flat or somewhere else.

This is based on the assumption that the dogs were following Madeleine's scent in the first place.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Glove Prints
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2019, 02:15:56 PM »
Quote from: jassi on July 22, 2019, 02:08:05 PM
I do hope so, as I've just done so  8(0(*
I'm claiming the idea is nonsense, not commenting on the poster.
But that reflects back to the person saying it as in "You are not making sense". 
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