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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2019, 01:36:29 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 16, 2019, 12:48:25 PM
I agree.  And I wouldn't mind betting pro rata the MET has far more upheld complaints and disciplinary matters ranging from minor to major than PJ.

What makes you believe that... What is that opinion based on.. I would bet you have no knowledge of the rate of disciplinary actions in portugal
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2019, 01:37:52 PM »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2019, 01:38:46 PM »
Quote from: Davel on August 16, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
Two officers on the McCann case..
Almeida... Conviction for torture
Amaral... Conviction for perjury

I said pro-rata meaning number of cases vs upheld complaints and disciplinary matters etc not looking at isolated cases.
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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2019, 01:40:15 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 16, 2019, 01:38:46 PM
I said pro-rata meaning number of cases vs upheld complaints and disciplinary matters etc not looking at isolated cases.

And on what do you base that opinion... What evidence
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2019, 01:40:32 PM »
Quote from: Davel on August 16, 2019, 01:36:29 PM
What makes you believe that... What is that opinion based on.. I would bet you have no knowledge of the rate of disciplinary actions in portugal

I don't have the facts and figures that's why I said I wouldn't mind betting.  Do you have the facts and figures for both countries?
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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2019, 01:42:31 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on August 16, 2019, 01:33:09 PM
They stated as fact that there were families using the creche, but didn't mention records. I think it's unlikely that they were available 4 + years after the event. My guess is they looked at the answers to the questionnaires sent out by LC. There's no evidence that the Totmans contacted the authorities in Portugal.

I thought all this info was contained in the files released to the public around Aug 2008.
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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2019, 01:44:19 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 16, 2019, 01:40:32 PM
I don't have the facts and figures that's why I said I wouldn't mind betting.  Do you have the facts and figures for both countries?

So you have no evidence to base your opinion on... Just a wild guesd
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2019, 01:48:11 PM »
Quote from: Davel on August 16, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
So you have no evidence to base your opinion on... Just a wild guesd

No not wild given the MET's long history of corruption, incompetence, upheld complaints/disciplinary hearings and wrongdoing.  The PJ would have to be pretty bad to exceed this but I don't have all the fact and figures that's why I said I wouldn't mind betting.

Do you have the facts and figures to hand?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2019, 01:53:01 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 16, 2019, 01:42:31 PM
I thought all this info was contained in the files released to the public around Aug 2008.

No it isn't.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2019, 01:57:02 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 16, 2019, 01:48:11 PM
No not wild given the MET's long history of corruption, incompetence, upheld complaints/disciplinary hearings and wrongdoing.  The PJ would have to be pretty bad to exceed this but I don't have all the fact and figures that's why I said I wouldn't mind betting.

Do you have the facts and figures to hand?

What makes you think the PJ is better... You are the one making the claim... Do you have figures to compare for Portugal.. You don't.. So your comment is baseless
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2019, 01:59:32 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 16, 2019, 01:48:11 PM
No not wild given the MET's long history of corruption, incompetence, upheld complaints/disciplinary hearings and wrongdoing.  The PJ would have to be pretty bad to exceed this but I don't have all the fact and figures that's why I said I wouldn't mind betting.

Do you have the facts and figures to hand?

What do you think would happen in the UK if a defendant appeared in court with the injuries seen on leonora cipriano.
No allegations of resisting arrest... Just a woman beaten to a pulp
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2019, 02:21:48 PM »
Quote from: Davel on August 16, 2019, 01:57:02 PM
What makes you think the PJ is better... You are the one making the claim... Do you have figures to compare for Portugal.. You don't.. So your comment is baseless

No Davel I haven't made a claim that's why I said I wouldn't mind betting.  And your claims are baseless too unless you have all the facts and figures to support your assertions?
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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2019, 02:24:49 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 16, 2019, 02:21:48 PM
No Davel I haven't made a claim that's why I said I wouldn't mind betting.  And your claims are baseless too unless you have all the facts and figures to support your assertions?

What claims of mine are baseless... I tend not to make baseless claims
You have no evidence re the the comparison of the disciplinary records of SY and the PJ.. It would probably be impossible to make a realistic comparison
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2019, 02:27:04 PM »
Quote from: Davel on August 16, 2019, 01:59:32 PM
What do you think would happen in the UK if a defendant appeared in court with the injuries seen on leonora cipriano.
No allegations of resisting arrest... Just a woman beaten to a pulp

The same as happened when British police used physical force to gain 'confessions' from the likes of the Birmingham Six et al.
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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has The MET Also Known As Scotland Yard Met Expectation?
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2019, 02:29:03 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on August 16, 2019, 02:27:04 PM
The same as happened when British police used physical force to gain 'confessions' from the likes of the Birmingham Six et al.

I don't support either of them... The six were a very long time ago and subsequently changes were brought in to prevent that happening again. Now you are quoting individual cases
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