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Redblossom

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #210 on: May 13, 2013, 08:24:53 PM »
Out of interest Redblossom, I may have missed this point but did Matthew and Russell head off to do the checks together because according to the timings it certainly looks like it?

I'm pretty sure they did.

Offline John

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #211 on: May 13, 2013, 08:37:25 PM »
Just read Russell's statement again.  He says Matthew left to check before him and at just after 9pm.  And that Gerry closely followed by Jane left some 5 minutes later.

This now equates to the following...

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #212 on: May 13, 2013, 08:41:07 PM »
Yes, they left together on the 2nd check but Russell puts the time after 9.30pm
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Redblossom

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #213 on: May 13, 2013, 08:50:50 PM »
Different statements give different times, so its a bit of a nightmare trying to get an accurate timeline, e.g.

Matthew say they both left together at 9.25. Russell puts his check in one statement at 9.35/9.40 and 9.25 in another.
I did have the quotes and links, but on switching between windows I lost them.

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« Last Edit: May 13, 2013, 09:10:00 PM by Redblossom »

Offline John

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #214 on: May 13, 2013, 08:55:04 PM »
Yes, I have got that now.  As I said a few days ago we can only interpolate to the nearest 5 mins.

Here is draft #4

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #215 on: May 13, 2013, 08:57:16 PM »
I can see immediately that if Gerry had been missing there is a period of about 15 minutes where all three men would have been away from the table and that certainly isn't the evidence of the waiters.

You have to always remember that "...went to check the children at 9.40pm..." doesn't necessarily mean setting off at 9.40pm.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2013, 08:59:40 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #216 on: May 13, 2013, 08:58:46 PM »
A nightmare...
The more you try the more nightmary it turns !
It could be interesting, if you have the patience, John, to do as Icabodcrane suggested : try to join the independent statements (in particular the calling "Madeleine" heard by Mrs Carpenter and the terrible scream heard by Mr Salcedas).

icabodcrane

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #217 on: May 13, 2013, 09:01:43 PM »
Yes, they left together on the 2nd check but Russell puts the time after 9.30pm

Kate says in her book that she and Gerry were able to be very specific about the time they made their checks that night because they were being particularly accurate out of concern for  Madeleine saying she had woken an cried the night before

She says she stood up at 9.30 to do her check but that Matthew, who was still at the table at that point, offered to do it for her whilst he did his own check

Offline John

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #218 on: May 13, 2013, 09:11:22 PM »
Excellent Icabodcrane, I will adjust for that.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #219 on: May 13, 2013, 09:17:15 PM »
Draft #IV

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

icabodcrane

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #220 on: May 13, 2013, 09:52:19 PM »
You have Gerry away from the table for too long John

His conversation with jez lasted only a few moments and when Jne saw them at 9.15pm they were already in conversation  ( your graph has him there for  a further 10 minutes )

Also, Jane Tanner says that when she returned to the restaurant at 9.20pm,  Gerry was already there
 ( as he would  have to be or she would have passed him in the street on her way back as well )

icabodcrane

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #221 on: May 13, 2013, 09:59:08 PM »
For clarity

Jane Tanner says in her statement that Matthew Oldfield came back to the table at 9.35pm and told her Russell had stayed in the apartment with their sick child

At 9.40pm she returned to relieve him, and Russell returned to the restaurant  9.45pm


amaraltheofficeboy

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #222 on: May 13, 2013, 10:26:48 PM »
For clarity how many of the waiters say that Gerry was away from the restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting?

icabodcrane

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #223 on: May 13, 2013, 10:36:34 PM »
For clarity how many of the waiters say that Gerry was away from the restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting?

The same number who place him there at the time ...  none

amaraltheofficeboy

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #224 on: May 13, 2013, 10:37:57 PM »
For clarity how many of the waiters say that Gerry was away from the restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting?

The same number who place him there at the time ...  none

just clarify that again