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AnneGuedes

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #510 on: July 15, 2013, 09:42:13 PM »
Mr McCann was wearing a dark shirt
Silvia Batista

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #511 on: July 15, 2013, 10:11:49 PM »
Yep

... and Gerry Mccann is 6'1"- 6'2" tall.  I have met him, and stood right by him.  I was impressed by his physique, and surprised by his height.   Aoife, the most observant Smith was on flat land and she thought that ?bundleman was 5'7" - 5'9" tall IIRC.  The other two Smiths, who met him coming down a hill towards them thouught that he was 5'9"-5'11" tall.

Bit of a difference between 5'7" and 6'1"

One is small and the other is big!

Nah, it wasn't Gerry.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #512 on: July 15, 2013, 10:32:34 PM »
Sadie must be 5.1. I'm 5.4, but I wasn't impressed by Mr McCann's height when I was with him in a lift. 2 floors : he was near the board and laughed saying he had learnt that "saída" means exit. I smiled. It took me more than 1 floor to reflect "do you really believe there's a saída for the mess you've made up?". So I didn't tell it and I really regret it.

Rachel Granada

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #513 on: July 15, 2013, 10:34:09 PM »
Sadie must be 5.1. I'm 5.4, but I wasn't impressed by Mr McCann's height when I was with him in a lift. 2 floors : he was near the board and laughed saying he had learnt that "saída" means exit. I smiled. It took me more than 1 floor to reflect "do you really believe there's a saída for the mess you've made up?". So I didn't tell it and I really regret it.

Hope you didn't fart in the lift, Anne.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #514 on: July 15, 2013, 10:51:03 PM »
I weight 100 lbs and the lift I think could afford 600 lbs, so I don't think I put Mr McCann's life at risk.

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #515 on: July 15, 2013, 10:56:33 PM »
Sadie must be 5.1. I'm 5.4, but I wasn't impressed by Mr McCann's height when I was with him in a lift. 2 floors : he was near the board and laughed saying he had learnt that "saída" means exit. I smiled. It took me more than 1 floor to reflect "do you really believe there's a saída for the mess you've made up?". So I didn't tell it and I really regret it.
I was 5'8" Anne.  With old age, I have shrivelled to about 5'6" - and i found him very imposing.  Tall and very well built... not fat.  He has a presence, no doubt about that.

stephen25000

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #516 on: July 16, 2013, 07:27:39 AM »
Yep

... and Gerry Mccann is 6'1"- 6'2" tall.  I have met him, and stood right by him.  I was impressed by his physique, and surprised by his height.   Aoife, the most observant Smith was on flat land and she thought that ?bundleman was 5'7" - 5'9" tall IIRC.  The other two Smiths, who met him coming down a hill towards them thouught that he was 5'9"-5'11" tall.

Bit of a difference between 5'7" and 6'1"

One is small and the other is big!

Nah, it wasn't Gerry.

'Impressed by his physique'   @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

What about his shortcomings  8)-)))


Offline sadie

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #517 on: July 16, 2013, 08:27:05 AM »
Sadie must be 5.1. I'm 5.4, but I wasn't impressed by Mr McCann's height when I was with him in a lift. 2 floors : he was near the board and laughed saying he had learnt that "saída" means exit. I smiled. It took me more than 1 floor to reflect "do you really believe there's a saída for the mess you've made up?". So I didn't tell it and I really regret it.
i understand what you are saying here Anne.  Quite clever. @)(++(*, but I am not about to pop off just yet. 8(0(*  Sorry

If you dont like my thoughts and theories then say so .... and If I have time .... very busy atm with more friends arriving to stay tomorrow .... then I wiill be happy to discuss.


I am sure Stephen will be only too happy to help you  @)(++(*

Offline sadie

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #518 on: July 16, 2013, 08:38:05 AM »
'Impressed by his physique'   @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*


Yep, Stephen.  After a lifetime of life drawing classes, I notice physique

My problem is that sometimes,  I also visualise the physique of some of the posters on here - just from what they say - and sometimes it aint a pretty picture,  Fortunately I dont visualise features, tho I do expressions - and there is one guy who has a constant sneer on his face



Cant think who that would be.

Can you help me? 8(0(*

Offline Albertini

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #519 on: July 16, 2013, 08:50:48 AM »
Do you have a definite photo of Gerrys trousers that have the buttons down

They dont sound like Gerrys plain style, but maybe I am wrong?

No the trousers appear to have a whole series of buttons running down the outseam:


Ok that could be Gerrys style.  Agreed ... but then it is lots of peoples style too, especially on holiday.

Yes but the point i have been trying to make is what's the likelihood of a man wearing these type of  trousers (and now the jacket - see below) carrying a child matching Madeleine's description, on the 3rd May on or around the time Madeleine went missing, with according to one witness a 60-80% likeliness to Gerry.

How many men would there have been in PDL mathcing all those things at that time?

How feasible is it to simply accept without challenge or further investigation that all those things could be one big coincidence?

Yes!  Gerry McCann was club doctor at Celtic FC and I recently saw a green and white hooped T-shirt at Primark!

So he must be guilty!

Sorry ferryman, I just had to post this as I am so frustrated about the so called "connections" that the forkers are so fond of.

No you are confusing "connections" with "coincidences" generated from information in the files. Big difference.

The forkers seem to get this fact wrong time and time again... like the 15/19 markers (sorry to go off topic)!!

"Forkers"?? Really? Can't you indulge in civil and constructive debate without feeling the need to resort to the language of the playground which so dominates the two sides in any discussion about Madeleine McCann?

It all depends on when Gerry bought those trousers and when the photograph was taken.  Unless you know that you can't make any assumptions.

And what happened to the dark long-sleeved jacket. 

He was wearing neither of those articles of clothing when he went to dinner on the 3rd.

So you are happy to accept that the trousers Aoife Smith described to a tee that we have a photo of Gerry wearing could have been bought afterwards. What would have been the chances of Gerry going out after the abduction and buying the exact same trousers described in the statement, really?

That photo was taken in 2007 i believe.

In relation to a dark long sleeved jacket well of course it depends how dark "dark" is, but how about this one:



Here it is from the front:



Which does look very similar to the one used in one of the McCann's abduction docs, does it not?:



He didn't need to wear it at dinner, he could have popped it on at any point.

The issue is that all these things do warrant further investigation. Irrespective of whether you believe the abduction theory what has always struck me as odd when discussing the McCann case is that people's views are either all or nothing on either side.

So if someone believes the abduction scenario then not one single piece of evidence which may be contrary to that opinion is ever accepted as being possible.

I don't see that this case nor indeed most complex investigative cases are that black and white and it does the debating of the case in general a disservice.

stephen25000

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #520 on: July 16, 2013, 09:02:46 AM »
Yep, Stephen.  After a lifetime of life drawing classes, I notice physique

My problem is that sometimes,  I also visualise the physique of some of the posters on here - just from what they say - and sometimes it aint a pretty picture,  Fortunately I dont visualise features, tho I do expressions - and there is one guy who has a constant sneer on his face



Cant think who that would be.

Can you help me? 8(0(*

I'm not the one having fantasies about gm.

However, it does reveal your clear bias towards the mccanns, but I expected no less from someone such as you. @)(++(*

Offline sadie

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #521 on: July 16, 2013, 09:10:02 AM »
I'm not the one having fantasies about gm.

However, it does reveal your clear bias towards the mccanns, but I expected no less from someone such as you. @)(++(*

Erm? 
Here you go again Stephen.  At least 10 sneers at me - in an ?uninterrupted row

stephen25000

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Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #522 on: July 16, 2013, 09:15:15 AM »
Erm? 
Here you go again Stephen.  At least 10 sneers at me - in an ?uninterrupted row

Well there's a moral for you to learn, if you can.

Don't insult and sneer at others, unless you can take it as well.

Offline Benice

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #523 on: July 16, 2013, 09:59:26 AM »
No the trousers appear to have a whole series of buttons running down the outseam:


Yes but the point i have been trying to make is what's the likelihood of a man wearing these type of  trousers (and now the jacket - see below) carrying a child matching Madeleine's description, on the 3rd May on or around the time Madeleine went missing, with according to one witness a 60-80% likeliness to Gerry.

How many men would there have been in PDL mathcing all those things at that time?

How feasible is it to simply accept without challenge or further investigation that all those things could be one big coincidence?

No you are confusing "connections" with "coincidences" generated from information in the files. Big difference.

"Forkers"?? Really? Can't you indulge in civil and constructive debate without feeling the need to resort to the language of the playground which so dominates the two sides in any discussion about Madeleine McCann?

So you are happy to accept that the trousers Aoife Smith described to a tee that we have a photo of Gerry wearing could have been bought afterwards. What would have been the chances of Gerry going out after the abduction and buying the exact same trousers described in the statement, really?

That photo was taken in 2007 i believe.

In relation to a dark long sleeved jacket well of course it depends how dark "dark" is, but how about this one:



Here it is from the front:



Which does look very similar to the one used in one of the McCann's abduction docs, does it not?:



He didn't need to wear it at dinner, he could have popped it on at any point.

The issue is that all these things do warrant further investigation. Irrespective of whether you believe the abduction theory what has always struck me as odd when discussing the McCann case is that people's views are either all or nothing on either side.

So if someone believes the abduction scenario then not one single piece of evidence which may be contrary to that opinion is ever accepted as being possible.

I don't see that this case nor indeed most complex investigative cases are that black and white and it does the debating of the case in general a disservice.

If those were the clothes Gerry wore when alledgedly he was seen by the Smiths carrying his dead daughter, then why didn't Eddie alert to them?

Knowing that he had been seen by a number of people who could describe him, would he have kept any of the clothing - let alone be photographed wearing them?

Sorry doesn't work for me.




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Carana

Re: The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm
« Reply #524 on: July 16, 2013, 10:04:32 AM »
If those were the clothes Gerry wore when alledgedly he was seen by the Smiths carrying his dead daughter, then why didn't Eddie alert to them?

Knowing that he had been seen by a number of people who could describe him, would he have kept any of the clothing - let alone be photographed wearing them?

Sorry doesn't work for me.

Nor for me.