The evidence places Gerry McCann in the tapas bar at 10pm

[Carana]

Seems it was this bit, Carana.

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That's not what I gather from lines 57-58 from here:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P6/06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1613.jpg

My understanding is that the trousers may have had buttons.

[sadie]

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That's not what I gather from lines 57-58 from here:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P6/06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1613.jpg

My understanding is that the trousers may have had buttons.

I cannot do the translations cos I dont speak PT.

But from the British translation we see, it does seem as tho there might have been buttons, but where on the trousers?  On the pockets?  Fancy trimmed down the sides, ,button up turnups, buttoned waist band /fly  ... or as in this photograph of Gerry?  Even if they are buttoned like Gerrys in the photograph, they are very common holiday style trousers.  Most holidaying men of that age would have a pair for holiday wear.




Where does the photograph come from?  Have we confirmation of when it was taken?

It is genuine Gerry, is it?




Even if all these thiings go along with the photograph, I still do not think that Gerry could be mistaken for a man of let's say 5'9" (they all mentioned this height.) 

Aoife actually thought 5'7" -5'9".  That is small.  She is also very observant.   

Gerry is imposing and tall ... not small in any way

[Carana]

I cannot do the translations cos I dont speak PT.

But from the British translation we see, it does seem as tho there might have been buttons, but where on the trousers?  On the pockets?  Fancy trimmed down the sides, ,button up turnups, buttoned waist band /fly  ... or as in this photograph of Gerry?  Even if they are buttoned like Gerrys in the photograph, they are very common holiday style trousers.  Most holidaying men of that age would have a pair for holiday wear.




Where does the photograph come from?  Have we confirmation of when it was taken?

It is genuine Gerry, is it?




Even if all these thiings go along with the photograph, I still do not think that Gerry could be mistaken for a man of let's say 5'9" (they all mentioned this height.) 

Aoife actually thought 5'7" -5'9".  That is small.  She is also very observant.   

Gerry is imposing and tall ... not small in any way

A better pic:
http://solarpix.photoshelter.com/image/I0000CKDtMsGhb5Q

They seem more decorative than practical.

[DCI]

A better pic:
http://solarpix.photoshelter.com/image/I0000CKDtMsGhb5Q

They seem more decorative than practical.

Those look like, the trousers that you fold up, and can worn as shorts or trousers?.

How would Aofie, see the buttons on these trousers,



when it was getting dark, and he was over two metres, away?.

[stephen25000]

Those look like, the trousers that you fold up, and can worn as shorts or trousers?.

How would Aofie, see the buttons on these trousers,



when it was getting dark, and he was over two metres, away?.

So gerry mccann, all shorts but no trousers ?   

[faithlilly]

Those look like, the trousers that you fold up, and can worn as shorts or trousers?.

How would Aofie, see the buttons on these trousers,



when it was getting dark, and he was over two metres, away?.

First we have the 'no buttons' quote, which even your fellow supporters had to correct you on, now a picture of a pair of trousers which, obviously, are not the same ones as in the photograph previously posted.

Why are you posting so much misinformation DCI ? Exactly what is your agenda ?

[DCI]

First we have the 'no buttons' quote, which even your fellow supporters had to correct you on, now a picture of a pair of trousers which, obviously, are not the same ones as in the photograph previously posted.

Why are you posting so much misinformation DCI ? Exactly what is your agenda ?

Really, would you like to find the "no buttons quote", and see who posted it. So which fellow supporters had to correct me.  They are the same trousers

No misinformation. Exactly what is your agenda ?

[sadie]

Those look like, the trousers that you fold up, and can worn as shorts or trousers?.

How would Aofie, see the buttons on these trousers,



when it was getting dark, and he was over two metres, away?.

At 10pm in May it was completely dark, but it had been a full moon the night before.

[icabodcrane]

At 10pm in May it was completely dark, but it had been a full moon the night before.

You doubt this witness's  statement ?   ...  then you must doubt it in  every way

...  this cherry picking of  witness statements,     in  order to accommodate one theory or another  is really rather  tiresome 

If  you are convinced that this witness was unable to recognise,  accurately,  the type of trousers worn by the man she saw pass her that night ...  then  you  must  acknowledge that she was just as likely to have inaccurately failed to recognise that the  man she saw was Gerry McCann  (  as her mother and father determined ) 

you really cannot claim that a witness  (  ANY  witness )  is entirely reliable in one thing they say ... whilst, simoultaneously claiming they are  unreliable in something else they say

It's just silly to do that

[DCI]

You doubt this witness's  statement ?   ...  then you must doubt it in  every way

...  this cherry picking of  witness statements,     in  order to accommodate one theory or another  is really rather  tiresome 

If  you are convinced that this witness was unable to recognise,  accurately,  the type of trousers worn by the man she saw pass her that night ...  then  you  must  acknowledge that she was just as likely to have inaccurately failed to recognise that the  man she saw was Gerry McCann  (  as her mother and father determined ) 

you really cannot claim that a witness  (  ANY  witness )  is entirely reliable in one thing they say ... whilst, simoultaneously claiming they are  unreliable in something else they say

It's just silly to do that

Perhaps you should take it up with the person, who you think it was that cherry picked this witness statement, to post, in order to accommodate one theory or another?. 

[Albertini]

Perhaps you should take it up with the person, who you think it was that cherry picked this witness statement, to post, in order to accommodate one theory or another?.

Why is there such an undercurrent of anger in every post you make in response to those posters who do not believe the abduction theory?

I don't get it.

[DCI]

Why is there such an undercurrent of anger in every post you make in response to those posters who do not believe the abduction theory?

I don't get it.

Well if you think thats anger, jeez! 

icabodcrane, said "It's just silly to do that". I was replying to him. You posted up, what he's complaning about, not me.

[Albertini]

Well if you think thats anger, jeez! 

icabodcrane, said "It's just silly to do that". I was replying to him. You posted up, what he's complaning about, not me.

No i'm not talking about the wheres and whyfores of the post exchange with icabodcrane, it was a genuine question to the tone and undercurrent i detect in your postings in reply to people sceptical about abduction.

Just an observation, made difficult to read accurately through the written word on a computer, but an observation i felt nonetheless.

[icabodcrane]

I am bumping this thread since it make take on a new relevance following Scotland Yard's recent revelations

[Mr Gray]

Can I make a basic observation from the time-line and cross-referencing it to the Smiths and Fiona Payne's statements.

According to Martin Smith and family they encountered a man carrying a child at 10pm, he was quite precise about this.

The Portuguese police files contain the following...

At 21:05H/21:10H Gerald went to check his children. He entered through the sliding door and found it strange that the children’s bedroom door was slightly more opened than when they went out. But he assumed that Madeleine had gotten up and gone back to bed.

He saw that Madeleine and the twins were in their beds, quiet.

He went to the bathroom and got out through the sliding doors. On the street, close to the gate, he met Jez, known from the tennis, with whom he spoke for 3 to 5 minutes.

At that moment (21:15h) coming from the restaurant to check her children, Jane passed by them.

She says that at that moment she saw, up the street, on the perpendicular, at about 10 meters, a man crossing carrying a child.

At 22:00 Kate went to the apartment.

She went through the sliding doors and immediately noticed that the door to the children’s bedroom was totally opened, the window was opened, the shutters raised and the curtains opened to the sides.

The twins were sleeping in their cots but Madeleine had disappeared.


From Fiona Payne's statement we have the following...

'Erm, tut, she sort of raced back and she just appeared at the doors of the sort of reception area and just shouted across, erm, 'She's gone. Gerry, Madeleine's gone'. And, you know, well you can just imagine the shock maybe. So everyone was just sort of still for what seemed like, sort of five seconds or so. Gerry jumped up and went 'She can't be gone' and raced off with Kate.



Now, what I would like to know is how the hell can Gerry McCann be sitting eating his main course at 10pm, the same time as Mr Smith swears he saw him hundreds of yards away?

For me John ...the e fit looks like Gerry...Amaral assumed it was......that's why he discounted the smith sighting as being the abductor...fact was Gerry was at the Tapas...so is this Gerry look a like, totally innocent or    ...is he the abductor