GM's initial statement.

[The General]

Care to elaborate?   

Well......one theory, to which I don't necessarily subscribe, was that MO was the patsy, set up to stumble across the 'missing child'. Controversial, I know right?!

[G-Unit]

KM's PB Page 82:

At breakfast time, Madeleine had a question for us.  'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'

KM's PB Page 91:

We mentioned to the others what Madeleine had said that morning.  Obviously, we didn't want any of our children waking and wondering where we were even for a few minutes, and if the chances of that happening seemed remote, it was enough of a concern to make us absolutely prompt with our checks on the kids.  That is why Gerry and I were subsequently able to be so accurate about timings.

If the above is so why didn't GM let KM know after his first check that the bedroom door had moved which he put down to MM moving around?  Why did they both allow MO to check at circa 9.30 pm if they thought MM might have been up and about?  And why was MO oblivious to how he should find the door which GM acknowledges he used to determine whether or not MM was up and about?

on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

on the morning of the 3rd May, when Madeleine asked the witness the reason why they had not gone to her room when the twins were crying.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

[The General]

It seems since Holly’s interest in this case it’s been ok to accuse the McCanns of anything you like.  I wonder if I can claim a refund on all the points I got for posting “libel”, most of them kindly bestowed on me by Slartibartifart.

Ditto several other protagonists. It would seem.
I see what you did there btw.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Ditto several other protagonists. It would seem.
I see what you did there btw.

Aargh, me and my fat fingers.

[John]

I think we can see that GM did not impart the full facts to the GNR officers as eventually told.

You raised an extremely valid point yesterday Holly which I haven't seen posted here previously. You reminded us that Gerry McCann, in stating that he entered the apartment by the front door using a key, inadvertently or otherwise, led the first police responders to believe that Madeleine could only have left the apartment via the bedroom window. 

[G-Unit]

He cannot say exactly, but he thinks that on Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom with KATE as she [K] had told him that one or both twins had cried making much noise.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

 When asked, he says that on one night, he cannot say which, Madeleine slept in his room in his bed. He thinks it might have been shortly after their arrival at the apartment. Madeleine came to his room saying that Amelie was crying and she couldn't sleep. He thinks that he hadn't heard crying before, and was alerted to this by Madeleine. He does not know if he or his wife comforted Amelie. That night Madeleine slept in his bed.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

So did Kate tell him about this crying, or was it Madeleine who told him? Did Madeleine sleep with him or with her mother?

[Erngath]

You raised an extremely valid point yesterday Holly which I haven't seen posted here previously. You reminded us that Gerry McCann, in stating that he entered the apartment by the front door using a key, inadvertently or otherwise, led the first police responders to believe that Madeleine could only have left the apartment via the bedroom window.

Imagine the father of a missing child made an inadvertently or otherwise wrong statement to the police first responders and that led the entire police investigation off course.
Really?

[Erngath]

He cannot say exactly, but he thinks that on Monday or Tuesday MADELEINE had slept for some time in his bedroom with KATE as she [K] had told him that one or both twins had cried making much noise.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

 When asked, he says that on one night, he cannot say which, Madeleine slept in his room in his bed. He thinks it might have been shortly after their arrival at the apartment. Madeleine came to his room saying that Amelie was crying and she couldn't sleep. He thinks that he hadn't heard crying before, and was alerted to this by Madeleine. He does not know if he or his wife comforted Amelie. That night Madeleine slept in his bed.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

So did Kate tell him about this crying, or was it Madeleine who told him? Did Madeleine sleep with him or with her mother?

Do you believe that NSY  are asking these questions?

[John]

Imagine the father of a missing child made an inadvertently or otherwise wrong statement to the police first responders and that led the entire police investigation off course.
Really?

Yes really. As has been pointed out ad infinitum previously, the first hour is the golden hour in any missing child case. Giving police erroneous facts from the outset was inexcusable. In fact, one could be forgiven for thinking it was intentional.

[Erngath]

Yes really. As has been pointed out ad infinitum previously, the first hour is the golden hour in any missing child case. Giving police erroneous facts from the outset was inexcusable. In fact, one could be forgiven for thinking it was intentional.

Can you explain to me the difference that Gerry's deliberate or accidental account altered the "golden hour"  investigation.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Yes really. As has been pointed out ad infinitum previously, the first hour is the golden hour in any missing child case. Giving police erroneous facts from the outset was inexcusable. In fact, one could be forgiven for thinking it was intentional.

I agree.

John, I posted this self-same scenario in a post 2/3 years ago it was swiped as libel.

My point was: why did they not mention the unlocked door at the first instance, it would send the police off on a wrong footing- and why was the abduction via a window the only version we got told by family on TV.

 I can't recall when the unlocked door was brought to the public domain. The other misleading parts were noted as; they could see the apartment as if sitting in the garden. They could only see the roof. not the children’s window, and who has a garden with a road cutting through it and a swimming pool for that matter, in the UK?

 The PJ seemed to be very suspicious early on about abduction via window, and as Amaral said in his book the PJ dismissed this as a 'fake abduction scene'. I described it imo as a red herring. I stick by that opinion.

[Miss Taken Identity]

The difference was the Police were told about a 'missing girl' not an abducted one.

 Because, why would a crowd of 'intelligent', articulate, very bloody clever people, go back to search an apartment for an abductor and MBM.  Is it normal practice for abductors carrying their prey to wander around an apartment waiting to be caught?

[Erngath]

I agree.

John, I posted this self-same scenario in a post 2/3 years ago it was swiped as libel.

My point was: why did they not mention the unlocked door at the first instance, it would send the police off on a wrong footing- and why was the abduction via a window the only version we got told by family on TV.

 I can't recall when the unlocked door was brought to the public domain. The other misleading parts were noted as; they could see the apartment as if sitting in the garden. They could only see the roof. not the children’s window, and who has a garden with a road cutting through it and a swimming pool for that matter, in the UK?

 The PJ seemed to be very suspicious early on about abduction via window, and as Amaral said in his book the PJ dismissed this as a 'fake abduction scene'. I described it imo as a red herring. I stick by that opinion.

Do you believe that NSY also see these inconsistencies ?

[Erngath]

The difference was the Police were told about a 'missing girl' not an abducted one.

 Because, why would a crowd of 'intelligent', articulate, very bloody clever people, go back to search an apartment for an abductor and MBM.  Is it normal practice for abductors carrying their prey to wander around an apartment waiting to be caught?

My first thought was to respond to your post but after further reading and a serious attempt to decipher and respond.
Perhaps not.

[misty]

I agree.

John, I posted this self-same scenario in a post 2/3 years ago it was swiped as libel.

My point was: why did they not mention the unlocked door at the first instance, it would send the police off on a wrong footing- and why was the abduction via a window the only version we got told by family on TV.

 I can't recall when the unlocked door was brought to the public domain. The other misleading parts were noted as; they could see the apartment as if sitting in the garden. They could only see the roof. not the children’s window, and who has a garden with a road cutting through it and a swimming pool for that matter, in the UK?

 The PJ seemed to be very suspicious early on about abduction via window, and as Amaral said in his book the PJ dismissed this as a 'fake abduction scene'. I described it imo as a red herring. I stick by that opinion.

Gerry McCann 4th May https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

"At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building".

Locals knew the following morning the patio door was unlocked.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/Express_05_05_2007.htm
*snipped*
Another friend, Pat Perkins, 61, said: “Gerry and Kate are fantastic parents and could see the bedroom from the hotel restaurant.

“Madeleine’s a beautiful little girl. It’s her fourth birthday soon. They were supposed to be flying home tomorrow (*proving article written on the Friday) to celebrate. We can’t believe what’s happening. We’re sat by the phone waiting to hear news. We’re all going through hell.”

Praia da Luz resident Mark McCarrick said the girl might have simply walked out of her room.

“The parents left the door ajar so they could keep going over and looking at her,” he said. “We are hoping that because the door was open, she just walked out.”


There is zero evidence Gerry told the GNR, who were the force in attendance on May 3rd, that the patio doors were locked.