Author Topic: Is it any wonder that initial investigators arrived at the conclusions they did?  (Read 78990 times)

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Offline The General

Innocent people may refuse to answer police questions... That is a fact
That is true. I didn't say it wasn't. You stated your opinion as fact that sceptics seem to think the opposite.
And it's also a fact that guilty people may refuse to answer police questions.

But what about my point? That the PJ will be fully aware of the likelihood that and Arguido would prefer to remain silent? Like it was all news to them and had never happened before? (only perhaps about 95% of the time).
Don't you think that FACT may have been driving the process? Go through the process, ask the questions, get it on record....that's also evidence.
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Offline Mr Gray

That is true. I didn't say it wasn't. You stated your opinion as fact that sceptics seem to think the opposite.
And it's also a fact that guilty people may refuse to answer police questions.

But what about my point? That the PJ will be fully aware of the likelihood that and Arguido would prefer to remain silent? Like it was all news to them and had never happened before? (only perhaps about 95% of the time).
Don't you think that FACT may have been driving the process? Go through the process, ask the questions, get it on record....that's also evidence.

I doubt they thought Kate would remain silent... What evidence did Kate provide by staying silent...
I think Kate did absolutely the right thing and don't think for a second her silence was an indication of guily

Offline The General

I doubt they thought Kate would remain silent... What evidence did Kate provide by staying silent...
I think Kate did absolutely the right thing and don't think for a second her silence was an indication of guily
Neither do I. But once again, you've answered someone else's question.
I absolutely think they knew she would remain silent, either from experience, or from informal discussions held prior to the formal interview.
No sane person would persist after question 10, they'd pull it if they thought it was fruitless. They continued to provide due process to be used at a later date; for what purpose is open to conjecture.
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Offline Mr Gray

Neither do I. But once again, you've answered someone else's question.
I absolutely think they knew she would remain silent, either from experience, or from informal discussions held prior to the formal interview.
No sane person would persist after question 10, they'd pull it if they thought it was fruitless. They continued to provide due process to be used at a later date; for what purpose is open to conjecture.

So you think no sane person would continue after question 10....yet I would say every sceptic here ...aoart from you..thinks she was wrong not to answer all the questions
« Last Edit: November 25, 2019, 04:31:08 PM by Davel »

Offline The General

So you think no sane person would continue after question 10....yet I would say every sceptic here ...aoart from you..thinks she was wrong not to answer all the questions
I meant the police would jack it in if they were getting nowhere. They persisted for a reason.
I doubt every other sceptic on here believes everyone who doesn't answer questions is guilty. I've always been advised to remain silent until your brief tells you to speak, which was also Kate's right at the time.
However, I'm sure that remaining silent is commonly used as a wee bit of leverage in trials - '......members of the jury, let us not forget, that the defendant point blank refused to answer any of the questions during the initial interview. Now why would he do that I wonder'.
'OBJECTION, your honour, that's purely speculation'.
'Shut up at the back there, or I'll close the public gallery'
[I slowly stand up and slink out, quickly return, stoop down to pick up my B&M carrier bag and shuffle back out]
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Because that's how police interviews work. You refuse to answer questions, which inevitably progresses the investigation.
I'm pretty confident that the investigation would have been progressed exponentially if Kate would have simply answered the questions.
And given this novel explanation, I wonder if magnanimity was upper most in Kate's mind  - or was this a serendipitous output of her being instructed to say f all! How wonderful!
Have you read the list of 48 questions?  Say it was your kid who was missing and you had no idea who took her perhaps you’d like to pick out all the questions on that list that you think would have helped the police solve the mystery.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline The General

Have you read the list of 48 questions?  Say it was your kid who was missing and you had no idea who took her perhaps you’d like to pick out all the questions on that list that you think would have helped the police solve the mystery.
That's brilliant, but how would she know what they were going to ask?
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Offline Angelo222

Have you read the list of 48 questions?  Say it was your kid who was missing and you had no idea who took her perhaps you’d like to pick out all the questions on that list that you think would have helped the police solve the mystery.

The questions were all extremely innocuous so why was Kate McCann so terrified of them?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html
« Last Edit: November 25, 2019, 05:06:22 PM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

That's brilliant, but how would she know what they were going to ask?
What??  Just answer my question first, before askng a daft one of your own.  Where did I even mention Kate or what she did or didn’t know?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Angelo222

I'm not in the least surprised she chose to answer question 49 though after refusing to answer the previous 48.

Q.  Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

A.  'Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.'


Why exactly would the mother of a missing 3-year-old actively jeopardise the investigation into her child's supposed disappearance?  If her lawyer told her to do so then he must have had serious misgivings about her real involvement and was trying to prevent her incriminating herself which was her right.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2019, 05:04:40 PM by Angelo222 »
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Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline The General

What??  Just answer my question first, before askng a daft one of your own.  Where did I even mention Kate or what she did or didn’t know?
You said 'have you read the 48 questions', suggesting Kate could somehow take exception to their content, without knowing what the next one would be. Nothing daft about that. Just insight that others perhaps don't possess. Difficult for laymen to process at first glance, I understand.
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Offline Angelo222

Have you read the list of 48 questions?  Say it was your kid who was missing and you had no idea who took her perhaps you’d like to pick out all the questions on that list that you think would have helped the police solve the mystery.

It wasn't her place to second-guess the police interrogators, all she had to do was to answer honestly but she couldn't do that for some unfathomable reason.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

It wasn't her place to second-guess the police interrogators, all she had to do was to answer honestly but she couldn't do that for some unfathomable reason.

I disagree....and it comes down to opinion. this has been discussed amny times before and I can see exactly why Kate refused to answer questions from what some think was acompletely inept investigation...you think one thing...I think another......

Offline Vertigo Swirl

You said 'have you read the 48 questions', suggesting Kate could somehow take exception to their content, without knowing what the next one would be. Nothing daft about that. Just insight that others perhaps don't possess. Difficult for laymen to process at first glance, I understand.
I asked you a direct question with no mention of Kate at all.  Perhaps you didn’t understand my question or perhaps you preferred not to answer it.  That’s fine.  The questions were completely and utterly pathetic IMO, and if I had been Kate I would have answered with a loud “f..king tossers” after each and every one.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

It wasn't her place to second-guess the police interrogators, all she had to do was to answer honestly but she couldn't do that for some unfathomable reason.

its not unfathomable to mee....and others it seems