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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #390 on: January 26, 2020, 02:09:12 PM »
There was clearly information around which came from within the investigation. Who gave out that information isn't known. It could be members of the PJ or people working with them. There were civilian interpreters, translators and relatives. There were people working for the Prosecutors and the Judges. There were forensic people in Portugal and the UK, and UK policemen in both countries. In my opinion laying the blame for every leak on the PJ is a sign of a mind which is not just closed, but biased also.
Who has said EVERY leak came from the PJ?  Just a handful is enough to prove that they leak, and are still doing so if the recent interview with Amaral about the German paedo is anything to go by.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #391 on: January 26, 2020, 02:10:17 PM »
Your unquestioning acceptance of what she said speaks volumes to me. When did she discover she had been misinformed? Did she immediately speak out?
If she was lying then Amaral has a case of libel against her.  Has he denied it publicly at all?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #392 on: January 26, 2020, 02:16:37 PM »
Yes, if I am in their neck of the woods.  Fortunately I am never in their neck of the woods!

The Police don't exist to provide a service, they exist to enforce the law.

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https://www.britannica.com/topic/police
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #393 on: January 26, 2020, 02:24:11 PM »
Who has said EVERY leak came from the PJ?  Just a handful is enough to prove that they leak, and are still doing so if the recent interview with Amaral about the German paedo is anything to go by.

There is one leak in my opinion that can be proved to have originated with a PJ officer; the one that Amaral admitted to and which led to him being removed from the case. Any more?
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« Reply #394 on: January 26, 2020, 02:28:38 PM »
If she was lying then Amaral has a case of libel against her.  Has he denied it publicly at all?

Why are you accusing her of lying? She clearly delayed sharing what she says she knew, is that lying?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #395 on: January 26, 2020, 02:32:12 PM »
Why are you accusing her of lying? She clearly delayed sharing what she says she knew, is that lying?
Why are you accusing me of accusing her of lying, I did not.  Kindly learn to comprehend what you are reading.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #396 on: January 26, 2020, 02:35:19 PM »
The Police don't exist to provide a service, they exist to enforce the law.

Police;

A body of officers representing the civil authority of government. Police typically are responsible for maintaining public order and safety, enforcing the law, and preventing, detecting, and investigating criminal activities. These functions are known as policing. Police are often also entrusted with various licensing and regulatory activities.
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The police are public servants, enforcing the law is providing service to the public, end of.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #397 on: January 26, 2020, 02:52:11 PM »
There is one leak in my opinion that can be proved to have originated with a PJ officer; the one that Amaral admitted to and which led to him being removed from the case. Any more?

so another example of amaral being quite willing to break the law...it begs the question ...if two have been discovered how a many more are there.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #398 on: January 26, 2020, 02:53:21 PM »
There is one leak in my opinion that can be proved to have originated with a PJ officer; the one that Amaral admitted to and which led to him being removed from the case. Any more?
Yes, all the ones he didn’t own up to.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #399 on: January 26, 2020, 03:04:10 PM »
Why not - if that is indeed the case,

Why do you VS -  feel the need to defend MCN honor absolutely at every opportunity.

The McCann's did no wrong unless you can come up with a reliable source which says otherwise but as well as the many confirmed leaks which should have been safeguarded by secrecy laws even material witness's personal mobile phone numbers were given out to Portuguese journalists by the Portuguese police ...

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The reporters had obtained the Tapas Sevens' mobile numbers and that of another witness, so it was apparent that the inquiry had a leak.[50][122][124]
This and later articles in the Portuguese press, invariably followed up in the UK, made several allegations, based on no evidence, which would engulf the McCanns for years on social media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline kizzy

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #400 on: January 26, 2020, 03:30:42 PM »
The McCann's did no wrong unless you can come up with a reliable source which says otherwise but as well as the many confirmed leaks which should have been safeguarded by secrecy laws even material witness's personal mobile phone numbers were given out to Portuguese journalists by the Portuguese police ...

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The reporters had obtained the Tapas Sevens' mobile numbers and that of another witness, so it was apparent that the inquiry had a leak.[50][122][124]
This and later articles in the Portuguese press, invariably followed up in the UK, made several allegations, based on no evidence, which would engulf the McCanns for years on social media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann


I don't think we are on the same page B

Offline Brietta

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #401 on: January 26, 2020, 03:33:08 PM »
The Police don't exist to provide a service, they exist to enforce the law.

Police;

A body of officers representing the civil authority of government. Police typically are responsible for maintaining public order and safety, enforcing the law, and preventing, detecting, and investigating criminal activities. These functions are known as policing. Police are often also entrusted with various licensing and regulatory activities.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/police

There is I believe a very strict Portuguese law regarding secrecy for everyone involved in a police investigation ... on one occasion I believe it necessitated the speedy return to Portugal of the case coordinator Rebelo, from England where he was on Madeleine's business to sort out a particularly blatant and damaging violation of that law when information was leaked to the press from the PJ.

Are Police officers in Portugal exempt from breaking the law?  Seems so because it kept on happening and no-one was prosecuted for it.  Or are they just not terribly adept at detaining the real criminals if they have a convenient patsy available to prosecute using the Portuguese press as their due process?  Probably saved a lot of bother ... but in this instance they overstepped their mark I think.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #402 on: January 26, 2020, 03:36:12 PM »

I don't think we are on the same page B

I am certain of it.  Maybe one day you will catch up.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #403 on: January 26, 2020, 03:58:41 PM »
I remember this well when it happened.
“But they are especially furious about the timing of the latest leak, which derailed a planned trip to the European Parliament to call for an improved alert system for missing children.

The couple met advisers last night to discuss their response to the leak of the statements - in which it was revealed that Madeleine, then three, and her brother Sean, then two, were left crying in their holiday apartment the night before Madeleine disappeared”.

So, who apart from the PT police would have had access to the McCanns’ statements and who had the bigger chip on their shoulder to want to release this information to coincide with the McCanns trip to the European Parliament?  Hmmm,  I wonder...?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline kizzy

Re: Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?
« Reply #404 on: January 26, 2020, 04:00:16 PM »
I am certain of it.  Maybe one day you will catch up.


Well its 50 50 - so only one us will