Visits to the play area after tea. What is the truth?

[G-Unit]

In my opinion the problem you have with that one is that the Amarals of this life are really only tiny cogs in a far larger propaganda machine with many legitimate outlets to be used as and when the occasion arises.

All kinds of people are today still banging the same drum they have been beating since 2007 and disseminating precisely the same or much the same falsehoods of yesteryear and I think one has to wonder exactly what the reason for that might be.
To put it more succinctly … cui bono?.
Is it a steady income for them stemming from their careers as media pundits ... or is there something larger than these little people plying their shoddy trade using a little girls name as their cash cow?

Correio da Manhã TV (CMTV) is acting as a vehicle for the untruths these people have been allowed to circulate for years.

Now complete with embellishments which are even more ridiculous than the original falsification particularly as the truth of many matters have been in the public domain since 2008 when Portugal shelved a missing child case and the files were posted on the internet.

One wonders why is it in someone's corporate interest to apparently make such an effort to keep the flame alive on at the best misunderstanding and at the worst totally made up stories dripping with falsehoods and innuendo.

(CMTV) is owned by Cofina which is a Portuguese media conglomerate established in 1995.
 
Cofina owns Correio da Manhã and Record newspapers and several magazines, including TV Guia. The company also controls free newspapers Destak and Metro.

Now that ... in my opinion ... really is "controlling" the press and I doubt if any couple of private individual could hold a candle to that machine.
Which all goes to show in some measure what the McCanns have been up against over the years. 
Perhaps now that they have the British and the Portuguese police onside under the ever watchful eyes of the world we will eventually find out the who and the why of it all.

I think anyone in the UK who criticises the Portuguese press is ignoring the fact that the press in the UK is (imo) a national disgrace. If anyone has used Madeleine McCann as a cash cow it's the UK media.

[Brietta]

I think anyone in the UK who criticises the Portuguese press is ignoring the fact that the press in the UK is (imo) a national disgrace. If anyone has used Madeleine McCann as a cash cow it's the UK media.

Telling it as it is hardly equates with criticising either the Portuguese press or news media and or the business moguls who own it.

If there is a market for it who can blame multi media conglomerates for supplying it both at home in Portugal and throughout the rest of the Portuguese speaking former empire (and no ... I mention - but am not criticising empires ... Britain too used to have one ... and bless! most empires I know of had agendas of expansion as well as absolute emperors at their head).
Perhaps the ever expanding Cofina fits somewhere into that but who knows or perhaps more importantly who cares?  If lies are the currency and people who know they are lies are content with that so be it.  Apparently Aeschylus summed it up well ...

I think there is also a saying about getting the press one deserves. But media purporting to be a news channel which replaces fact with - for example - the fiction that Eddie and Keela were introduced into the equation only after Kate and Gerry had left Portugal just cannot be taken seriously ... or maybe the thought should be "can it?"

[G-Unit]

Telling it as it is hardly equates with criticising either the Portuguese press or news media and or the business moguls who own it.

If there is a market for it who can blame multi media conglomerates for supplying it both at home in Portugal and throughout the rest of the Portuguese speaking former empire (and no ... I mention - but am not criticising empires ... Britain too used to have one ... and bless! most empires I know of had agendas of expansion as well as absolute emperors at their head).
Perhaps the ever expanding Cofina fits somewhere into that but who knows or perhaps more importantly who cares?  If lies are the currency and people who know they are lies are content with that so be it.  Apparently Aeschylus summed it up well ...

I think there is also a saying about getting the press one deserves. But media purporting to be a news channel which replaces fact with - for example - the fiction that Eddie and Keela were introduced into the equation only after Kate and Gerry had left Portugal just cannot be taken seriously ... or maybe the thought should be "can it?"

You seem to be saying that the media shouldn't be expected to have standards because their main aim is to make as much profit as possible. Why did we bother with Leveson, I wonder?

[Mr Gray]

I think anyone in the UK who criticises the Portuguese press is ignoring the fact that the press in the UK is (imo) a national disgrace. If anyone has used Madeleine McCann as a cash cow it's the UK media.

Why is the UK press a national disgrace... In your opinion..

Are other national presses far better... Most people realise the sun and the star are something of a joke but surely the more upmarket newspapers, are far from a national disgrace..

Is it because the press now support the mccanns innocence and call amaral a disgraced policeman

[G-Unit]

Why is the UK press a national disgrace... In your opinion..

Are other national presses far better... Most people realise the sun and the star are something of a joke but surely the more upmarket newspapers, are far from a national disgrace..

I assume by 'upmarket' you mean broadsheets such as the Times, Telegraph and Guardian. Why, even after the files were released, did they not print the correct facts?

The Guardian;

10.15pm: Oldfield goes down to the 24-hour reception at the bottom of the hill to raise the alarm. Police are called.

10.30pm: Local police are first to arrive on the scene.

11.10pm: Detectives from the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) arrive having been contacted by police constables.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/madeleine-mccann-case-oh-my-god-i-saw-a-man-05-08--t3647.html

The Telegraph;

A woman who believes she saw Madeleine McCann in Amsterdam shortly after the little girl went missing has accused the police of neglect after they failed to follow up the lead.

Anna Stam said she had spoken to a young girl who called herself "Maddie'' last June and criticised the Portuguese and British police.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/second-sighting-daily-telegraph-07-08-08-t16866.html#p217051

The Times;

When those detectives arrived at 3.30pm on May 4, more than 17 hours after Madeleine’s disappearance, they discovered that dozens of local police, friends and family had traipsed through the room, heavily contaminating the scene. (PJ)
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/stung-by-the-portuguese-men-of-law-times-10-08-08-t3469.html

[Wonderfulspam]

Why is the UK press a national disgrace... In your opinion..

Are other national presses far better... Most people realise the sun and the star are something of a joke but surely the more upmarket newspapers, are far from a national disgrace..

Is it because the press now support the mccanns innocence and call amaral a disgraced policeman

As if the press would dare question the McCanns innocence, given the libel laws.

[Mr Gray]

I assume by 'upmarket' you mean broadsheets such as the Times, Telegraph and Guardian. Why, even after the files were released, did they not print the correct facts?

The Guardian;

10.15pm: Oldfield goes down to the 24-hour reception at the bottom of the hill to raise the alarm. Police are called.

10.30pm: Local police are first to arrive on the scene.

11.10pm: Detectives from the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) arrive having been contacted by police constables.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/madeleine-mccann-case-oh-my-god-i-saw-a-man-05-08--t3647.html

The Telegraph;

A woman who believes she saw Madeleine McCann in Amsterdam shortly after the little girl went missing has accused the police of neglect after they failed to follow up the lead.

Anna Stam said she had spoken to a young girl who called herself "Maddie'' last June and criticised the Portuguese and British police.
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/second-sighting-daily-telegraph-07-08-08-t16866.html#p217051

The Times;

When those detectives arrived at 3.30pm on May 4, more than 17 hours after Madeleine’s disappearance, they discovered that dozens of local police, friends and family had traipsed through the room, heavily contaminating the scene. (PJ)
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/stung-by-the-portuguese-men-of-law-times-10-08-08-t3469.html

So based on this the Guardian is a national disgrace.... I don't think that is a rational opinion

[Mr Gray]

As if the press would dare question the McCanns innocence, given the libel laws.

When, the McCanns have both snuffed it I expect the press & police to be more honest about their opinions.

Most of you here will be pushing up daisies by then.

If there's evidence to support it the press can print... If it's just mud slinging as we see here they cant

[Wonderfulspam]

If there's evidence to support it the press can print... If it's just mud slinging as we see here they cant

There's plenty of evidence imo.

Imo it's bleedin obvious Maddie wasn't abducted for starters.

[Brietta]

You seem to be saying that the media shouldn't be expected to have standards because their main aim is to make as much profit as possible. Why did we bother with Leveson, I wonder?

I "seem to be saying" nothing of the kind it is what you are saying ... putting words into my mouth yet again ... and on the basis of your posts on the subject the evidence is that you really do not understand what was going on either at Leveson or in Portugal in 2007 as regards the police and the press.

But since you have obviously read my posts with similar comprehension to that with which you have read (if you have) the affirmations by those in the know who presented testimony that Judicial police officers were leaking like a sieve to the press you again show you are in denial of the facts.
What a shame Leveson was a British enquiry which excluded Sandra Felgueiras from testifying.

[Mr Gray]

There's plenty of evidence imo.

Imo it's bleedin obvious Maddie wasn't abducted for starters.

Amaral produced what he thought was the evidence that proved the case against  the mccanns.... It didn't... Perhaps you think you know more than amaral

[G-Unit]

I "seem to be saying" nothing of the kind it is what you are saying ... putting words into my mouth yet again ... and on the basis of your posts on the subject the evidence is that you really do not understand what was going on either at Leveson or in Portugal in 2007 as regards the police and the press.

But since you have obviously read my posts with similar comprehension to that with which you have read (if you have) the affirmations by those in the know who presented testimony that Judicial police officers were leaking like a sieve to the press you again show you are in denial of the facts.
What a shame Leveson was a British enquiry which excluded Sandra Felgueiras from testifying.

What were you saying then? Please elucidate.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11155.msg571057#msg571057

I have read the evidence given to Leveson and can find nothing which proves that Judicial police officers were leaking like a sieve. If you have seen such proof please copy, paste and provide a cite.

[G-Unit]

So based on this the Guardian is a national disgrace.... I don't think that is a rational opinion

The police weren't called at 10.15, the local police didn't arrive at 10.30 and the PJ didn't arrive at 11.10 on 3rd May 2007. It's a disgrace if people can't rely on the 'upmarket' newspapers to get their facts right.

[Mr Gray]

The police weren't called at 10.15, the local police didn't arrive at 10.30 and the PJ didn't arrive at 11.10 on 3rd May 2007. It's a disgrace if people can't rely on the 'upmarket' newspapers to get their facts right.

a national disgrace you claimed...which is plainly totally ridiculous to all sensible people...imo

[G-Unit]

a national disgrace you claimed...which is plainly totally ridiculous to all sensible people...imo

Is it 'sensible' to accept that the UK media don't check their stories and therefore mislead their readers?