Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[Eleanor]

There was blood on the little girls pillow,  no doubt she had blood on her body and so would the blanket and child seat.

I think that this was a Miscarriage of Justice.

[Mr Gray]

Why would you think I spread myths? Read the case of Bianca Jones.

Died some time after 01.00, in her bed. Placed in her car seat at 08.00ish. Car found at 10.15am, with no child in the car seat.
Martin Grime's dog Morse alerted to the bedroom and the car seat.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

I dont regard 7 hours to be very soon after death....there is no proof morse  alerted to cadaver odour

[G-Unit]

We are talking about Morse.

Who worked with Keela after Eddie retired.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I dont regard 7 hours to be very soon after death....there is no proof morse  alerted to cadaver odour

There are validity test statistics in forensic science research journals that show that cadaver dogs can be 92-95% accurate when alerting to cadaver odour. So the chances are that he was , unless of course it was an alert to blood.

[Eleanor]

There are validity test statistics in forensic science research journals that show that cadaver dogs can be 92-95% accurate when alerting to cadaver odour. So the chances are that he was , unless of course it was an alert to blood.

"Can be."

[Mr Gray]

There are validity test statistics in forensic science research journals that show that cadaver dogs can be 92-95% accurate when alerting to cadaver odour. So the chances are that he was , unless of course it was an alert to blood.

There have beeen no real proper scientific tests in the field. Its all on scented squares. There dont seem to have been any tests re other body fluids....urine  for example. If the alerts were that accurate the McCanns would have been arrested.....and SY would not be saying maddie could be alive

[Mr Gray]

The whole sceptic belief is driven by the mistaken belief in the accuracy of the dogs..imo

[faithlilly]

So why wouldn't they send the cadaver dogs in to search until the second day in a disaster?

Because locating the survivors is more important than finding the dead ?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

The whole sceptic belief is driven by the mistaken belief in the accuracy of the dogs..imo

I’ll take notice of your critique of their efficacy when it’s published in peer reviewed forensic science journals. No disrespect but peer reviewed science trumps an armchair internet CSI imo.

[Eleanor]

Because locating the survivors is more important than finding the dead ?

I think you will find that Victim Recovery Dogs do that.  Of which Eddie was trained to be originally.  Eddie should never have been "Enhanced" because he finished up confused.

The sad thing for me is that Eddie was of great value in doing what was his original purpose.  Until Martin Grime messed about with his nose.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why would you think I spread myths? Read the case of Bianca Jones.

Died some time after 01.00, in her bed. Placed in her car seat at 08.00ish. Car found at 10.15am, with no child in the car seat.
Martin Grime's dog Morse alerted to the bedroom and the car seat.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

That does not prove the cadaver dog was right.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Alerted to blood probably.

Good point.  Where was Keela in the Bianca Jones case?

[G-Unit]

I dont regard 7 hours to be very soon after death....there is no proof morse  alerted to cadaver odour

It's less than 48 hours, isn't it?

There's a man in prison and Morse's evidence helped to put him there. Closer to home there's another man in prison and another cadaver dog's alerts helped to put him there. Cadaver dog alerts can and have been used in cases where no body can be found.

[G-Unit]

Good point.  Where was Keela in the Bianca Jones case?

Right there with Morse and Grime, as you would know if you read the link I provided.

[Mr Gray]

It's less than 48 hours, isn't it?

There's a man in prison and Morse's evidence helped to put him there. Closer to home there's another man in prison and another cadaver dog's alerts helped to put him there. Cadaver dog alerts can and have been used in cases where no body can be found.

It's not very soon...one case in the UK where it seems the evidence should not have been admitted...one case in the history of British Justice..hundreds of years. Your faith in the dogs is totally misplaced imo...if they had any validity whatsoever the McCans would be suspects and Maddie would be confirmed dead