Was Eddie The perfect Dog for the role ?

[Lace]

Alerts to the family - car, clothes, wardrobe etc. Murat's property and vehicles got no alerts.

Not even to blood.

[Brietta]

What is the truth then?

Probably exactly the same truth which was exhibited so amply at the dogs' next deployment in Haute de la Garenne former children's home in Jersey where it was alleged homicides had taken place..

Eddie alerted exitedly and often - most of us have seen the video - he may have located milk teeth, cremated human ashes legitimately scattered and semen or blood on a tissue.  What he most certainly did not alert to was residual scent from a human cadaver.

[pathfinder73]

from grimes Cv for the dogs there seems to be ony one case ...Attracta Harron where the dogs were instrumnetal in solving the case....Im happy to be told if theres more...with cites. Ferryman recieved an FOI reply which stated the dogs were only deployed 35 times in 5 years.
we dont know what the dogs record is ....unconfirmed alerts are not verifiable ...they may or may not be correct

Amanda Edwards

Wiltshire, UK
A female was abducted by her ex-boyfriend. Intelligence suggested that her ex-boy friend had taken her to his house. A search by the EVRD of the house resulted in small blood stains being alert indicated and forensically confirmed as her blood. The suspect, a builder, was in possession of a van. This was searched and the EVRD dog alerted to a 'wacker plate', spirtit level, and shovel. A site was identified where the suspect had been working. The EVRD then located the body deposition site in an area of a garbage base that had been prepared by the suspect. He had returned with the dead girl, dug a grave in the centre, placed the body in the hole, replaced the spoil and then used the shovel, wacker plate and spirit level to return the ground to its original state.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

On the late afternoon of April 15, while Cortis remained in custody, tracker dogs drew officers' attention to a spot on a building site where Cortis had worked as a plasterer.

A tent was set up over the area and police intended to come back the next day to dig.

The maximum period for which police can keep a person in custody is 96 hours, but Cortis was released after 78 hours in the early morning of April 16 as they did not consider they had enough evidence to charge him.

He was found hanging at 1.25pm by his mother-in-law, Theresa Tavener. Twenty minutes later at the building site police found a plastic sheet which had contained a new mattress which Cortis bought after the murder.

Later when the plastic sheet was removed it was found to contain Miss Edwards' body, her wrists and ankes bound with tape.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jun/23/ukcrime.stevenmorris

[Brietta]

Amanda Edwards

Wiltshire, UK
A female was abducted by her ex-boyfriend. Intelligence suggested that her ex-boy friend had taken her to his house. A search by the EVRD of the house resulted in small blood stains being alert indicated and forensically confirmed as her blood. The suspect, a builder, was in possession of a van. This was searched and the EVRD dog alerted to a 'wacker plate', spirtit level, and shovel. A site was identified where the suspect had been working. The EVRD then located the body deposition site in an area of a garbage base that had been prepared by the suspect. He had returned with the dead girl, dug a grave in the centre, placed the body in the hole, replaced the spoil and then used the shovel, wacker plate and spirit level to return the ground to its original state.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

On the late afternoon of April 15, while Cortis remained in custody, tracker dogs drew officers' attention to a spot on a building site where Cortis had worked as a plasterer.

A tent was set up over the area and police intended to come back the next day to dig.

The maximum period for which police can keep a person in custody is 96 hours, but Cortis was released after 78 hours in the early morning of April 16 as they did not consider they had enough evidence to charge him.

He was found hanging at 1.25pm by his mother-in-law, Theresa Tavener. Twenty minutes later at the building site police found a plastic sheet which had contained a new mattress which Cortis bought after the murder.

Later when the plastic sheet was removed it was found to contain Miss Edwards' body, her wrists and ankes bound with tape.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jun/23/ukcrime.stevenmorris

In both cases the search resulted in the victim recovery dog finding a body.  That is what they are trained to do isn't it.   

[pathfinder73]

Bodies are not always easy to find when the dogs are brought in months later (bodies are moved by then  ).  Eddie did find the body of Bob Rose. Eddie's alerts in the Prout and Parker cases were significant but the bodies were only later discovered. They were circumstantial evidence cases like this one will be.

[Brietta]

Bodies are not always easy to find when the dogs are brought in months later (bodies are moved by then  ).  Eddie did find the body of Bob Rose. Eddie's alerts in the Prout and Parker cases were significant but the bodies were only later discovered. They were circumstantial evidence cases like this one will be.

We know Eddie alerted to a piece of pork he removed from a bin.  He alerted behind a couch possibly to blood since Keela did too. He alerted to material on the Renault key fob which was probably blood since Keela alerted to it too.

There is no way of knowing what the rest of his alerts indicated but there was definitely nothing to suggest they had anything to do with Madeleine McCann.

In Jersey his positive alerts were to blood/semen?? on a tissue ~ milk teeth ~ a known person's scattered ashes ~ a couple of very old bones ~ and a coconut shell?
We've seen the video of him barking at shadows inside the building and we know there is not a scintilla of anything to suggest why he did so.

I don't think Eddie was ever 'wonderdog' but if people want to continue to believe it that is fine by me ... I have never seen anything in his promotional videos to convince me.  But my viewing of them has strongly suggested the contrary.

[Lace]

Bodies are not always easy to find when the dogs are brought in months later (bodies are moved by then  ).  Eddie did find the body of Bob Rose. Eddie's alerts in the Prout and Parker cases were significant but the bodies were only later discovered. They were circumstantial evidence cases like this one will be.

Can you tell me what the odds are for a cadaver dog to alert to three articles of clothing next to each other on the floor?   Well I say alert but it was obvious he was playing with them.   Yes it is difficult to find a body after months, especially when three other families stayed in 5a after the McCann's. 

[pathfinder73]

It's difficult because a body could be many miles away months later.  Eddie alerted to those items of clothes (Keela the blood dog did not!). I don't need to look at odds only concentrate on the evidence.

[Mr Gray]

It's difficult because a body could be many miles away months later.  Eddie alerted to those items of clothes (Keela the blood dog did not!). I don't need to look at odds only concentrate on the evidence.

Precisely ...they didn't find any

[The General]

Precisely ...they didn't find any

They may have found the vestiges thereof.

[Mr Gray]

They may have found the vestiges thereof.

You can speculate but the bottom line is the dogs provided nothing of any use in this case... Neither did they in Jersey.
In fact looking at the CV provided by Grime they have had very very limited success

[The General]

You can speculate but the bottom line is the dogs provided nothing of any use in this case... Neither did they in Jersey.
In fact looking at the CV provided by Grime they have had very very limited success

Seems speculating in this manner is successful, as per Gilroy.
Besides, even 'very, very limited success' is better than nowt. So, by your admission, deploying them is better than not.

[Mr Gray]

Seems speculating in this manner is successful, as per Gilroy.
Besides, even 'very, very limited success' is better than nowt. So, by your admission, deploying them is better than not.

I've seen a couple of reports from senior investigators saying the dogs have not contributed and in fact caused confusion

[The General]

I've seen a couple of reports from senior investigators saying the dogs have not contributed and in fact caused confusion

I've seen one that swung the case, rightly or wrongly, whether you agree with the admissibility or not.

[Mr Gray]

I've seen one that swung the case, rightly or wrongly, whether you agree with the admissibility or not.

You've seen one... Isn't that a bit pathetic... One that was questioned by the experts..

In Jersey the final report was critical of the action taken due to the alerts which resulted in tons of earth being moved and nothing found.

Looking at the evidence the ability of the dogs was overhyped...
In Luz it looks as if the alerts took the investigation in the wrong direction