White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4

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(http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/who-didnt-kill-jill-dando/)

http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/the-white-house-farm-murders-caffel-or-bamber/

So very true of another case on the board.

The investigation could not help to be influenced by media speculation which favoured a so called hitman. Like JFK and Princess Diana, an insignificant gunman and an incompetent driver were too simplistic to contemplate, the initial media vacuums did the usual, they groomed conspiracy and wild speculation. Forceful opinions circulated and influenced thinking. Based on personal beliefs and values rather than simple evidence they were appealing to many at the time and still are.

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I am new to this thread having been watching the TV series. I am well aware of the opening credits warning of 'based on truth' and not a verbatim account of what happened. So forgive me if I fall into that trap of saying something that is for the TV entertainment value.

 I also wonder about the portrayal of Taff the guv. It would be good to know if he really did come round after JM's statement.

Re: JM. I tried very hard to get into her thinking (Brilliant acting) knowing what she knew, his treatment of her, still kissing him and seeking his 'affection' is way beyond my thought process.

I agree her friend did perhaps save her from herself and assisted her in some way to go forward. Her conscience must have been killing her surely.
However, I do believe her, but wonder did she come forward as a revenge from jealousy or conscience.

Can someone  clarify for me.
1. why was the bodies of the children allowed to be cremated so soon, on adopted son's say so- He was NOT the next of Kin for Sheila's children. was he even hers? did Colin have no say at all?
I find this very strange.

I don't believe the boys were cremated. Jeremy was only next of kin to Nevill, June, and Sheila. He'd have had no right to make that decision. From memory, they were buried together in one white coffin, along with Sheila's ashes.

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I don't believe the boys were cremated. Jeremy was only next of kin to Nevill, June, and Sheila. He'd have had no right to make that decision. From memory, they were buried together in one white coffin, along with Sheila's ashes.

Thats interesting Stan Jones according to the TV version was trying to stop the the adult bodies being released for cremation,was there any attempt at stopping the burial for further forensics? even exhumation if it turned into a murder investigation?

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No then as non-fatal shots superceded fatal shots.

SC did not sustain any defense wounds indicative she struggled with anyone.  If she was that compliant JB would simply have popped the barrel in her mouth and shot through the roof to penetrate the brain.  The bullets were hollow nosed which expand upon impact and are described as mini food mixers tearing through muscle.

Its as likely if she was the last she could well have been a cowering wreck,only the killer would know and he's not gonna tell his he?
She supposedly shot herself twice,the first must have hurt like hell,then done it again for good measure,yeah right.

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Is the latest attempt at appeal and all subsequent ones  more of an attempt to say its a miscarriage because of lack of evidence pointing to him rather than he didn't do it,world of difference.

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Is the latest attempt at appeal and all subsequent ones  more of an attempt to say its a miscarriage because of lack of evidence pointing to him rather than he didn't do it,world of difference.

Aye, that is the part that sickens me. It was a shock to realise that to many of his cronies it's just about getting Bamber off, regardless of whether they think he did it or not.

I bet Bamber turned white when he realised Sheila needed a 2nd shot...

[Caroline]

I am new to this thread having been watching the TV series. I am well aware of the opening credits warning of 'based on truth' and not a verbatim account of what happened. So forgive me if I fall into that trap of saying something that is for the TV entertainment value.

 I also wonder about the portrayal of Taff the guv. It would be good to know if he really did come round after JM's statement.

Re: JM. I tried very hard to get into her thinking (Brilliant acting) knowing what she knew, his treatment of her, still kissing him and seeking his 'affection' is way beyond my thought process.

I agree her friend did perhaps save her from herself and assisted her in some way to go forward. Her conscience must have been killing her surely.
However, I do believe her, but wonder did she come forward as a revenge from jealousy or conscience.

Can someone  clarify for me.
1. why was the bodies of the children allowed to be cremated so soon, on adopted son's say so- He was NOT the next of Kin for Sheila's children. was he even hers? did Colin have no say at all?
I find this very strange.

The twins weren'T cremated, they were buried. Sheila's ashes were buried with them.

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The twins weren'T cremated, they were buried. Sheila's ashes were buried with them.

Just been reading that the police needed the milk teeth Colin had from the twins to grind down for DNA,did they not have any from the original crime scene.

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In part 4, I noticed that JB and JM met Brett Collins at Witham Station (which was actually filmed at North Weald Station, west Essex, with the sign changed to Witham).  In fact, they met Brett Collins in London and spent the evening in Stringfellows.

Went there in the late 80's/early90's, full of dirty old men!

I don't suppose where they met him or the night in Stringfellows would add to the story. I guess they also have a budget which restricts as far as location is concerned.

[Caroline]

Just been reading that the police needed the milk teeth Colin had from the twins to grind down for DNA,did they not have any from the original crime scene.

They didn't collect DNA in 1985 and much of the blood evidence was destroyed in 90's.

[Caroline]

Thats interesting Stan Jones according to the TV version was trying to stop the the adult bodies being released for cremation,was there any attempt at stopping the burial for further forensics? even exhumation if it turned into a murder investigation?

All the adits (Nevill, June and Sheila) were cremated on Bamber say so, the twins were buried in line with Colin's wishes. Sheila's asked were buried with them.

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Went there in the late 80's/early90's, full of dirty old men!

I don't suppose where they met him or the night in Stringfellows would add to the story. I guess they also have a budget which restricts as far as location is concerned.

Stringfellow... just  imagine having to put up with your mullet being tugged for 35 years!

I guess they thought North Weald (Witham) was a lot prettier to shoot than Victoria Station.

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They didn't collect DNA in 1985 and much of the blood evidence was destroyed in 90's.

Thanks.

[Nicholas]

Forceful opinions circulated and influenced thinking.

The “illusionary truth effect” https://www.wired.com/2017/02/dont-believe-lies-just-people-repeat/

“Want to Make a Lie Seem True? Say It Again. And Again. And Again”

Bamber’s lies are only believed by a small few - the public don’t appear to be buying into his ‘campaign’

Who in their right mind would quash 5 murder convictions on a technicality ?

[Caroline]

Stringfellow... just  imagine having to put up with your mullet being tugged for 35 years!

I guess they thought North Weald (Witham) was a lot prettier to shoot than Victoria Station.

Well, if you will have these exotic haircuts .....