White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 4

[Myster]

Well, if you will have these exotic haircuts ..... 

... and tuggable todgers. 

[Nicholas]

'I cared for and loved Sheila' - Jeremy Bamber speaks about relationship with sister - East Anglian Daily Times
3 hours ago · Jeremy Bamber has opened up about his relationship with sister Sheila Caffell, who police and the media initially believed to be responsible for the murders at White House Farm. ... Bamber, who has always maintained his innocence, was convicted of killing sister Sheila, her twin six ...

If anyone has a link to the above please post

https://newstral.com/en/article/en/1144917320/-i-cared-for-and-loved-sheila-jeremy-bamber-speaks-about-relationship-with-sister

[Nicholas]

'I cared for and loved Sheila' - Jeremy Bamber speaks about relationship with sister - East Anglian Daily Times
3 hours ago · Jeremy Bamber has opened up about his relationship with sister Sheila Caffell, who police and the media initially believed to be responsible for the murders at White House Farm. ... Bamber, who has always maintained his innocence, was convicted of killing sister Sheila, her twin six ...

If anyone has a link to the above please post

https://newstral.com/en/article/en/1144917320/-i-cared-for-and-loved-sheila-jeremy-bamber-speaks-about-relationship-with-sister

Maybe it’s been realised he’s been quoting a withdrawn prison guideline?

Bamber’s written on the top left of his letter here https://twnews.co.uk/gb-news/killer-jeremy-bamber-calls-cousin-morbid-for-still-living-at-white-house-farm

‘Written within the guidelines of PSO4470’

PSO4470 has been withdrawn

[Nicholas]

'I cared for and loved Sheila' - Jeremy Bamber speaks about relationship with sister - East Anglian Daily Times
3 hours ago · Jeremy Bamber has opened up about his relationship with sister Sheila Caffell, who police and the media initially believed to be responsible for the murders at White House Farm. ... Bamber, who has always maintained his innocence, was convicted of killing sister Sheila, her twin six ...

If anyone has a link to the above please post

https://newstral.com/en/article/en/1144917320/-i-cared-for-and-loved-sheila-jeremy-bamber-speaks-about-relationship-with-sister

Arrogant killer Jeremy Bamber: A personality 'difficult 
to pin down'
Excerpts:
‘Would you write to a prisoner who killed his parents, sister and her six-year-old twins? Writer Carol Ann Lee did.

And her verdict on the multiple-murderer? "In his letters, he is - or can affect that he is - charming, always personable, solicitous, witty, and has a magpie mind for the minutiae of his case. But at the same time he seems arrogant and curiously shallow, fixated on revenge, and is undoubtedly manipulative, as most high-profile prisoners are," she says in her book The Murders at White House Farm.

“.... a man who never accepts responsibility for any wrongdoing and is swift to dispense with friendships that no longer serve a purpose to his campaign.

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/itv-series-murders-at-white-house-farm-1-6455350

He ‘appears’ to have

[Holly Goodhead]

Its as likely if she was the last she could well have been a cowering wreck,only the killer would know and he's not gonna tell his he?
She supposedly shot herself twice,the first must have hurt like hell,then done it again for good measure,yeah right

You can read the pathologists comments here about the two gunshot wounds.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=738

Do you honestly think the case would be this contentious if the pathologist was able to determine murder or suicide?

The pathologist (who was at one time a guest on Desert Island discs) has always made clear he did not find anything during the autopsies to contradict the murder/suicide theory which was also the conclusion made by the most senior officer at soc: Chief Sup George Harris.  This was also supported by police surgeon Dr Craig, DCI Jones.  Afaik none of the firearms officers at soc deviated from murder/suicide.

About 3/4 weeks after the murders a review was carried out by a DCI kennelly (spelling) who also concluded murder/suicide.

The only dissenter was DS Jones who worked intimately with the relatives and Julie Mugford.  The relatives and Julie Mugford all gained by JB's conviction.

The relatives went on to inherit the Bamber estate circa 500k.  JM was relieved of criminal charges over various petty crimes and received 25k from a tabloid newspaper for her 'story'.  I don't know whether DS Jones was rewarded by the relatives for his assistance with the silencer and JM.

[Holly Goodhead]

I believe Julie Mugford is a thoroughly brave, decent and conscionable woman. I was just looking at it from Holly's perspective, what would I do if I thought this monster was innocent. It would follow on that JM must have told a pack of lies.

Yes John, what a spectacular own goal to treat her like that, to think he could manipulate her indefinitely for the rest of her life. But then Jeremy is one of those gobshite people who needs someone to know how clever and praiseworthy he is, "I should have been an actor"
For the same reasons, I always wondered if his mate from New Zealand must have had a fair idea what was going on, discussed it, perhaps made a few suggestions. I know he was alibi for the murders so didn't come into the investigation. But they were undoubtedly close.

According to JM's later wit stats she was told by JB on 7th Aug he arranged for Matthew Macdonald to carry out the murders.  The following day she identified the victims at the morgue. And it was a month later, when JB dumped her, she told DS Jones what he wanted to hear.

[Nicholas]

According to JM's later wit stats she was told by JB on 7th Aug he arranged for Matthew Macdonald to carry out the murders.  The following day she identified the victims at the morgue. And it was a month later, when JB dumped her, she told DS Jones what he wanted to hear.

How many murderers would JM have met in her lifetime Holly?


‘What are signs of a serial killer?
Psychopathic behavior that is consistent with traits common to some serial killers include sensation seeking, a lack of remorse or guilt, impulsivity, the need for control, and predatory behavior.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer


Did Bamber dump JM or did she walk away because she began to recognise his ‘predatory behaviour’ his total ‘lack of remorse or guilt’ his ‘impulsivity’ his apparent ‘need for control’

[Holly Goodhead]

How many murderers would JM have met in her lifetime Holly?

None.

[Holly Goodhead]

I am new to this thread having been watching the TV series. I am well aware of the opening credits warning of 'based on truth' and not a verbatim account of what happened. So forgive me if I fall into that trap of saying something that is for the TV entertainment value.

 I also wonder about the portrayal of Taff the guv. It would be good to know if he really did come round after JM's statement.

Re: JM. I tried very hard to get into her thinking (Brilliant acting) knowing what she knew, his treatment of her, still kissing him and seeking his 'affection' is way beyond my thought process.

I agree her friend did perhaps save her from herself and assisted her in some way to go forward. Her conscience must have been killing her surely.
However, I do believe her, but wonder did she come forward as a revenge from jealousy or conscience.

Can someone  clarify for me.
1. why was the bodies of the children allowed to be cremated so soon, on adopted son's say so- He was NOT the next of Kin for Sheila's children. was he even hers? did Colin have no say at all?
I find this very strange.

Hi MTI

I haven't seen anything about DCI deviating from murder/suicide.  I wonder if DCI Jones confided in Mrs Jones.

You can read JM's initial wit stat here in the library.  In her wit stats a month later she states JB told her on morning of 7th Aug he hired a hitman.

JB arranged for the adults to be cremated.  The twins were buried along with SC's ashes.

[Nicholas]

'I cared for and loved Sheila' - Jeremy Bamber speaks about relationship with sister - East Anglian Daily Times
3 hours ago · Jeremy Bamber has opened up about his relationship with sister Sheila Caffell, who police and the media initially believed to be responsible for the murders at White House Farm. ... Bamber, who has always maintained his innocence, was convicted of killing sister Sheila, her twin six ...

If anyone has a link to the above please post

https://newstral.com/en/article/en/1144917320/-i-cared-for-and-loved-sheila-jeremy-bamber-speaks-about-relationship-with-sister

Wonder if we’ll hear anymore about what may have happened with this story?

Maybe it’s been realised he’s been quoting a withdrawn prison guideline?

[Myster]

You can read the pathologists comments here about the two gunshot wounds.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=738

Do you honestly think the case would be this contentious if the pathologist was able to determine murder or suicide?

The pathologist (who was at one time a guest on Desert Island discs) has always made clear he did not find anything during the autopsies to contradict the murder/suicide theory which was also the conclusion made by the most senior officer at soc: Chief Sup George Harris.  This was also supported by police surgeon Dr Craig, DCI Jones.  Afaik none of the firearms officers at soc deviated from murder/suicide.

About 3/4 weeks after the murders a review was carried out by a DCI kennelly (spelling) who also concluded murder/suicide.

The only dissenter was DS Jones who worked intimately with the relatives and Julie Mugford.  The relatives and Julie Mugford all gained by JB's conviction.

The relatives went on to inherit the Bamber estate circa 500k.  JM was relieved of criminal charges over various petty crimes and received 25k from a tabloid newspaper for her 'story'.  I don't know whether DS Jones was rewarded by the relatives for his assistance with the silencer and JM.

What about Bob Miller and Micky Barlow who let Stan do the talking and take the flak?

[Caroline]

Hi MTI

I haven't seen anything about DCI deviating from murder/suicide.  I wonder if DCI Jones confided in Mrs Jones.

You can read JM's initial wit stat here in the library.  In her wit stats a month later she states JB told her on morning of 7th Aug he hired a hitman.

JB arranged for the adults to be cremated.  The twins were buried along with SC's ashes.

I did actually read that he was relieved when Bamber was caught but can't remember where. Still trying to remember. Will post if I find it.

[APRIL]

According to JM's later wit stats she was told by JB on 7th Aug he arranged for Matthew Macdonald to carry out the murders.  The following day she identified the victims at the morgue. And it was a month later, when JB dumped her, she told DS Jones what he wanted to hear.

I remain convinced that, had he put a wedding ring on her finger, she'd have stayed silent................at least until she found out about his second affair -she'd have forgiven the first. I guess having all that dosh and the freedom to enjoy it meant the boring little mouse could be dispensed with? It may well have been a case of a woman scorned being the trigger, but it doesn't mean it's not true. I'd be really interested to learn those things she hasn't revealed but probably only a priest or therapist is privy to those.

[barrier]

You can read the pathologists comments here about the two gunshot wounds.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=738

Do you honestly think the case would be this contentious if the pathologist was able to determine murder or suicide?

The pathologist (who was at one time a guest on Desert Island discs) has always made clear he did not find anything during the autopsies to contradict the murder/suicide theory which was also the conclusion made by the most senior officer at soc: Chief Sup George Harris.  This was also supported by police surgeon Dr Craig, DCI Jones.  Afaik none of the firearms officers at soc deviated from murder/suicide.

About 3/4 weeks after the murders a review was carried out by a DCI kennelly (spelling) who also concluded murder/suicide.

The only dissenter was DS Jones who worked intimately with the relatives and Julie Mugford.  The relatives and Julie Mugford all gained by JB's conviction.

The relatives went on to inherit the Bamber estate circa 500k.  JM was relieved of criminal charges over various petty crimes and received 25k from a tabloid newspaper for her 'story'.  I don't know whether DS Jones was rewarded by the relatives for his assistance with the silencer and JM.

Ten people on the jury were convinced to convict beyond reasonable doubt it was murder alright and no suicide involved.Are you suggesting some kind of collusion going on to stitch Bamber up,are you convinced of his innocence.I'd agree it's mostly circumstantial but it all adds up to the guilt of Bamber.It was a cold calculated crime not one that was carried out by someone who was suffering mental illness.The final shots which Julie was supposed to have fired would have had her in the same room as her boys.

[Holly Goodhead]

What about Bob Miller and Micky Barlow who let Stan do the talking and take the flak?

Dr Vanezis confirms in his wit stats that all officers who attended pm's were proceeding with 4 murders/suicide.  Those present included Di Miller, Di Cooke, DC Bird and DC Hammersly.

On 8th Aug Dr Vanezis visited WHF where he discussed the case with the aforementioned along with DS Jones and DCI Jones.  Dr Vanezis states the only dissenter was DS Jones who offered nothing of evidential value.