Order of killings

[Robittybob1]

IMO the two boys were killed first for they remained asleep.  The only person who would want the children overkilled would be the mother.  One hollow nosed .22 bullet directly to the head is all that would be required to kill each of them.  Obviously the child with the 5 bullets was first, only later would the bullets be rationed, so 3 for the next which left at least 1 for herself.  There was no proof that the magazine had 10 bullets in it, Jeremy says 9 or 10 he didn't count.

Who reloads the magazine and who attaches the sound moderator is harder to work out.

The other aspect was that there ended up with more than 50 bullets in the house, and Jeremy states the magazine and the gun was empty, and the packet of bullets had already been opened so the original count should have been less than 50  not the 55 of the final count.   

Someone else had brought another 5 or more bullets with them to the scene.

Even before the police enter the house a rifle is seen leaning against a window.  WPS Julia Jeapes - Firearms instructor http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=179.0

There is insufficient detail to say it was the same rifle as photographed on Sheila's lap later.

[Caroline]

Even before the police enter the house a rifle is seen leaning against a window.  WPS Julia Jeapes - Firearms instructor http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=179.0

There is insufficient detail to say it was the same rifle as photographed on Sheila's lap later.

Jeapes didn't say it was a rifle, she said there was something that 'appeared' to be a rifle but no rifle was found where she indicated.

[puglove]

Jeapes didn't say it was a rifle, she said there was something that 'appeared' to be a rifle but no rifle was found where she indicated.

Most likely a broom stale or a sash window pole.

[Robittybob1]

Most likely a broom stale or a sash window pole.

Or did someone get to move it?

[The General]

Jeapes didn't say it was a rifle, she said there was something that 'appeared' to be a rifle but no rifle was found where she indicated.

Firearms officer can't identify a rifle at a glance? Computer say no.
She could probably tell you when it was last cleaned at a glance.

[Caroline]

Firearms officer can't identify a rifle at a glance? Computer say no.
She could probably tell you when it was last cleaned at a glance.

Which is why she said she saw what 'appeared' to be a rifle! Not 'in my professional opinion (and I know a rifle when I see one), there was definitely a rifle in that window or my name isn't Julia Jeaps.'

Did you forget that you came here claiming you thought Bamber was guilty? How does a disappearing rifle in the box room window fit with that? Computer says no!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Even before the police enter the house a rifle is seen leaning against a window.  WPS Julia Jeapes - Firearms instructor http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=179.0

There is insufficient detail to say it was the same rifle as photographed on Sheila's lap later.

When the house was surrounded by over 50 police officers, who all believed according to Jeremy, that Sheila was inside with a gun holding her family hostage, so they were all actively LOOKING for a gun. Police are human beings and as nervous as anyone else.

The PC, who wasn’t a firearms officer, “thought” she saw something that “could” have been a gun leaning by a window.

In the event, when the armed raid team broke in soon after, there was no gun there at all. It was simply a trick of the PC’s imagination as she actively looked for one whilst standing outside.

The police went all through the house and the only gun they found was the one Jeremy had staged on Sheila’s lap.

Sheila had clearly been dead for many hours as she had liver mortis, blue mottling on her left arm, back and posterior, and was entering rigor mortis. Everyone else had been dead several hours too.

There were guns in Nevill’s gun cupboard, which hadn’t been touched by Sheila, including old broken guns in a store room filled with the usual broken things people sometimes store before dumping them...but there was no gun by the window. It was simply a shape of something resembling one that put the young PC on high alert as she was looking for one.

That’s all. Simple as that.

And it was established too.

[Robittybob1]

Well there is a photo of a gun leaning by a window.  Are you aware of that photo?

When you say "Sheila had clearly been dead for many hours as she had liver mortis, blue mottling on her left arm, back and posterior, and was entering rigor mortis. Everyone else had been dead several hours too." do you think Sheila was deceased longer than the other adults?

[The General]

Which is why she said she saw what 'appeared' to be a rifle! Not 'in my professional opinion (and I know a rifle when I see one), there was definitely a rifle in that window or my name isn't Julia Jeaps.'

Did you forget that you came here claiming you thought Bamber was guilty? How does a disappearing rifle in the box room window fit with that? Computer says no!

I've got no idea of the context - I'm not that arsed, to be honest.
I've read 3 books on the subject, two of which were disappointing to say the least and I've read most of the stuff in the links here. (I also purchased White House Farm on Amazon over weekend and watched it - I thought it was crap) And those in the know, such as yourself, have provided great insight. I've already stated that there's no mystery here and I'm not emotionally involved, like some, so I just interject with banalities here and there - keeps me, as the youngest member of the forum, ticking over.
I'm way more interested in the psychology than the crime.
I just know the simple fact, when you live and breath weapons you get to spot them and size them up immediately. A trained firearms officer should be able to determine a rifle from a mop - that's it. I don't give one if this observation doesn't fit the narrative.
Bamber still did it. There ya go. Better?

[Robittybob1]

Was there somewhere in the house that someone could have hidden away?  The only time to remove the gun seen by the window is prior to the storming of the building.  Is that a possibility? 

[The General]

Was there somewhere in the house that someone could have hidden away?  The only time to remove the gun seen by the window is prior to the storming of the building.  Is that a possibility?

Pretty sure there were plenty of hiding places in the house, but everyone was accounted for, so no.

[Robittybob1]

Pretty sure there were plenty of hiding places in the house, but everyone was accounted for, so no.

I'm just listening to a YouTube produced by the Bamber supporters "Timeline of evidence which proves Jeremy Bamber is an innocent man"  and around the https://youtu.be/c1NMk5tKFHM?t=444 position they mention seeing some movement in the house. 

Like could there be someone else in the building?  Who hid till the coast was clear.

[The General]

I'm just listening to a YouTube produced by the Bamber supporters "Timeline of evidence which proves Jeremy Bamber is an innocent man"  and around the https://youtu.be/c1NMk5tKFHM?t=444 position they mention seeing some movement in the house. 

Like could there be someone else in the building?  Who hid till the coast was clear.

Most likely the dog.

[Robittybob1]

Most likely the dog.

I wonder where the dog cane from?

[puglove]

I wonder where the dog cane from?

BOOOOOOMMM!!!!

That was my head exploding. You made that happen, Rob.