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Offline APRIL

Re: The phone call
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2020, 11:32:43 AM »
Thats three then,Stuart Lubbock.


And the other?

Offline barrier

Re: The phone call
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2020, 11:38:16 AM »

And the other?


I imagine one of those you mention is the Diana Jones murder? As far as forensics go, the person they suspected of the crime was streets ahead of them and would have pre-empted what they would do by way of investigation. That person also left it several days before reporting her missing. Like Jeremy Bamber, they had time to sell their story and cover their tracks.

White House farm?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The phone call
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2020, 11:45:55 AM »
In my opinion Nevill could have made two phone calls; one to the police and one to his son. He mentioned no shooting, just an unstable woman with a gun. I have seen no evidence which makes that scenario impossible.
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Offline APRIL

Re: The phone call
« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2020, 11:47:20 AM »
White House farm?


Of course! Apologies. I thought you to have meant OTHER than.

Offline APRIL

Re: The phone call
« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2020, 11:52:09 AM »
In my opinion Nevill could have made two phone calls; one to the police and one to his son. He mentioned no shooting, just an unstable woman with a gun. I have seen no evidence which makes that scenario impossible.

I can't think why, if it had been just that, he'd have needed to call Jeremy, given that he couldn't have been certain that Jeremy would even answer the phone immediately. How long might he have been prepared to hang on given that there was allegedly an unstable woman with a gun on the loose?

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Re: The phone call
« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2020, 12:01:23 PM »
I can't think why, if it had been just that, he'd have needed to call Jeremy, given that he couldn't have been certain that Jeremy would even answer the phone immediately. How long might he have been prepared to hang on given that there was allegedly an unstable woman with a gun on the loose?

999 was the obvious way,JB wanted to them believe Sheila was shooting away.
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Re: The phone call
« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2020, 12:06:27 PM »
I can't think why, if it had been just that, he'd have needed to call Jeremy, given that he couldn't have been certain that Jeremy would even answer the phone immediately. How long might he have been prepared to hang on given that there was allegedly an unstable woman with a gun on the loose?

Is there a voice recording of JB to the police?
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Offline APRIL

Re: The phone call
« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2020, 12:13:24 PM »
999 was the obvious way,JB wanted to them believe Sheila was shooting away.


I wonder how large a part NOT calling 999 played in the jury finding him guilty? Individually, there may be nothing in these anomalies to suggest guilt. Add them together and I believe it a struggle to maintain belief in his innocence.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2020, 12:43:53 PM »
The UK system is based on not guilty or guilty beyond reasonable doubt.   

The case wouldn't even get to court today let alone be found guilty.

Of course it would. Today though, snap decisions about murder suicide wouldn't have been made.

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Re: The phone call
« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2020, 12:46:57 PM »
I can't think why, if it had been just that, he'd have needed to call Jeremy, given that he couldn't have been certain that Jeremy would even answer the phone immediately. How long might he have been prepared to hang on given that there was allegedly an unstable woman with a gun on the loose?

If the calls were as described then it seems that Sheila had a gun, but hadn't used it. We don't know what Nevill thought was going to happen next because we don't know what had occured before the calls were made. Judging by what was reported he wasn't concerned for his own safety, but wanted help to deal with the situation. The police would be needed to commit Sheila and his son for support.
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Re: The phone call
« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2020, 12:49:42 PM »
Of course it would. Today though, snap decisions about murder suicide wouldn't have been made.

I certainly don't think they'd accept, as the oracle, the word of the one person who stood to gain the most from the deaths.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2020, 12:50:48 PM »
The fact jurors didn't question JM's testimony doesn't mean they swallowed it whole or at all.  2/12 didn't swallow it for sure.

At trial jurors were told by the judge:

how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case"

The prosecution did not even have to identify the window let alone demonstrate it was possible to exit a window and secure it from within.

Then we come to all the physical evidence which was collected and recorded by way of blood stains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories of shots and wound tracks.  All of this data needed going into a shooting reconstruction with jurors taken to WHF to see for themselves:

- did the perp burst into the main bedroom and open fire on June and NB

Or

- did the perp open fire on June in bed and was NB shot as he came up the stairs

In the case you mention of Kenneth Noye jurors were taken to soc and found Noye not guilty.

WHF to this day remains the only criminal case involving a mass shooting unwitnessed by others so the lawyers were inexperienced and completely out of their depths.

I believe the last CCRC application was comprehensively reviewed by CCRC over a lengthy period of time but I remain confident that JB will win a 3rd appeal with his conviction quashed.

They didn't have to identify the window, by Bambers own admission, he could enter via a window.

I don't know how you can't see that a reconstruction doesn't identify the killer?

Kenneth Noye being found 'not guilty' is clearly a problem for your notion that the jury should visit the scene.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #72 on: February 16, 2020, 12:55:52 PM »
Yes I believe NB made the call before he was shot based on the physical evidence at soc: blood stains and lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.  I believe if you look at all those pieces it places NB on the landing stairs facing the entrance to the bedrrom when he sustained the facial shots and the main staircase facing the bottom when he sustained the shots to his shoulder and elbow.

To date no expert evidence exists re shooting reconstruction.

I agree that he was on the stairs/landing but it doesn't put a phone in his hand and no trajectory is going to do that for you. I believe he was on the stairs because Bamber came back before Nevill went to bed, he waited until Nevill was out of the way to give him time to shoot the twins and June and shot Nevill as he came upstairs. I can no more prove this, than you can your theory of the phone call. Nevill on the stairs, DOES NOT identify the killer.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #73 on: February 16, 2020, 12:56:57 PM »
It's never too late though.  A shooting reconstruction can still be carried out.

Which wouldn't identify the ,killer.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #74 on: February 16, 2020, 12:58:40 PM »
That NB sustained his facial shots whilst he was stood on the landing stairs with the perp stood just inside the main bedroom shooting out onto the landing.

And how does that prove a phone call?