The phone call

[Caroline]

It is not possible to determine from the soc images under what circumstances the blood on SC's face appeared. 

One possibility is that blood pooled internally and when SC was pulled by her feet her head propped up against the bedside cabinet dropped to the floor causing blood to leak from orifices as depicted on soc images. 

Of course Martyn Ismail made no reference to police officers moving SC at soc as he would expect if this happened the police to fess up. Since they did not fess up it would not even feature on his radar.

As  Chief Sup Mick Gradwell said in the following, at 8 mins in, if EP damaged the scene and then staged it to make it look like it did originally and haven't disclosed it is "really, really serious"

https://youtu.be/yPRd912xv9M

It took you days to come up with that but that's not possible given that the person you rely on for the head still being propped up also described the blood leaking from her mouth. Give it up Holly - on this you are just wrong, even Vanezis stated that hypostasis was consistent with the way her body was found. I'm not really interested in anything made bay Eric A,he still thinks police were in conversation with someone inside the farmhouse.

[Caroline]

No he didn't given by his own admission he did not know the sequence of shootings.

To date a reconstruction hasn't taken place.  When it does imo it will show NB was shot on the landing stairs meaning he could have made the call to JB before he was shot.

But he didn't and there is no reason why he would.

[Caroline]

It is well documented by NB's niece, Jackie Woods, and CC that the Bamber's were very private people who never discussed family matters outside the family.  This begs the question why NB would sit around gossiping with his secretary who at the time was young enough to be his daughter.

Because he clearly trusted her. The private thing has been used to twist the bounds of what he just common sense - like calling the police when in danger. It's nuts.

[Caroline]

Decomposition is not a one size fits all, many factors influence it, and you do not know what effect, if any, SC's pharmacology had on it.

Martyn Ismail is clear that upon infliction of the second gsw SC's head fell back against the bedside cabinet.  At circa 7.30 pm A/PS Woodcock also observed SC's head propped up against the bedside cabinet.  At circa 10.30 pm soc images show her head flat to the floor.  What happened between 7.30 pm to 10.30 pm?  It certainly wasn't JB who staged soc as he was outside with EP. 

MI's evidence explains why those first at soc who also left early report seeing one gsw ie when her head was propped up against the bedside cabinet it concealed the upper gsw.  Those who arrived and/or left later report seeing two gsw's because when she was pulled by her feet and her head fell flat to the floor the upper gsw was revealed.

It also explains that the large blood stain on the carpet under the bible in the soc image doesn't correspond with the blood staining under SC's armpit.  Whereas it would if her head was propped up against the bedside cabinet.  Same for the blood staining on the bible ie the large stain should correspond with the large stain on the carpet which no doubt it did before it was moved around by EP.

I thought you were interested in facts? Trying to say that Sheila was in a stage of decomposition only hours after death, enough to produce purge is just silly - especially as you're also trying to argue that she died last! Come on Holly, you can do better than that - this isn't A team stuff, it's not even XYZ team stuff!

[APRIL]

It is well documented by NB's niece, Jackie Woods, and CC that the Bamber's were very private people who never discussed family matters outside the family.  This begs the question why NB would sit around gossiping with his secretary who at the time was young enough to be his daughter.

The obvious answer is that she was a good listener, he felt heard, and he trusted her. People often feel inclined to share things with outsiders that they wouldn't dream of sharing with their families.

[Holly Goodhead]

It took you days to come up with that but that's not possible given that the person you rely on for the head still being propped up also described the blood leaking from her mouth. Give it up Holly - on this you are just wrong, even Vanezis stated that hypostasis was consistent with the way her body was found. I'm not really interested in anything made bay Eric A,he still thinks police were in conversation with someone inside the farmhouse.

No it reinforces my view that A/PS Woodcock observed SC's head propped against the bedside cabinet and as he was still present at soc long after other members of raid team left he also observed SC after she was pulled by her feet resulting in blood leaking from orifices as depicted on soc images.

[Holly Goodhead]

I thought you were interested in facts? Trying to say that Sheila was in a stage of decomposition only hours after death, enough to produce purge is just silly - especially as you're also trying to argue that she died last! Come on Holly, you can do better than that - this isn't A team stuff, it's not even XYZ team stuff!

Putrefication isn't a one size fits all and if someone is taking prescribed medication this can speed up or slow down the process.

[APRIL]

Putrefication isn't a one size fits all and if someone is taking prescribed medication this can speed up or slow down the process.

In which case, the mean average would have to be the yard-stick.

[barrier]

Putrefication isn't a one size fits all and if someone is taking prescribed medication this can speed up or slow down the process.

Has there been a paper published that on the balance of probabilities this would the case here? and which way did it find with the particular medication Sheila was on?

[Caroline]

No it reinforces my view that A/PS Woodcock observed SC's head propped against the bedside cabinet and as he was still present at soc long after other members of raid team left he also observed SC after she was pulled by her feet resulting in blood leaking from orifices as depicted on soc images.

Then you are contradicting your own earlier post. You can not reconcile the blood trails with what you are saying, they are at odds. The blood could NOT have followed Woodcock’s alleged observation because he noted both the blood trails and their direction. Her head could not have been propped up because that would defy the laws of gravity!

[Caroline]

Putrefication isn't a one size fits all and if someone is taking prescribed medication this can speed up or slow down the process.

Now you’re using the fact that she was medicated to your advantage? It may well speed up the process but your argument that it would occur that quickly is beyond the pale!

[APRIL]

My apologies in advance. I know this is off topic, but apropos of much of what I think I'm looking at here, I'm quoting from "Defending The Guilty" by Alex McBride, a criminal barrister "It doesn't matter that the evidence is overwhelming - or whether he did it or not. All we're interested in is "How can we get him off". "

For a long time now, it's occurred to me that Jeremy's defence could have done a better job. Given that it was SUCH a high profile case, I'd have thought they'd have pulled out all the stops. Maybe they'd have preferred it to have been heard at the Bailey? Maybe they found Jeremy difficult? Maybe what he was telling them didn't fit with what information they had? MAYBE they realized they didn't stand a chance of getting him off?? That being said, it's emerged that there are those wanting to take up where they left off.

[Caroline]

Has there been a paper published that on the balance of probabilities this would the case here? and which way did it find with the particular medication Sheila was on?

Purification doesn’t happen within hours.

[Caroline]

Purification doesn’t happen within hours.

And besides, I think Venezis would know the difference between blood and purge and he might have noticed that he body was decomposing. I think it might have warranted a mention.

[APRIL]

And besides, I think Venezis would know the difference between blood and purge and he might have noticed that he body was decomposing. I think it might have warranted a mention.

And mention of her medication -wasn't it only Haloperidol?- being responsible for why decomposition had occurred so quickly.