The phone call

[G-Unit]

Your suggestion is wrong, though, so why on earth do think I’ve accepted your ridiculous assumptions?

Nevill never phoned anyone: his bedroom phone was downstairs which Jeremy put there after hiding the kitchen phone under a pile of magazines

Nevill was shot UPSTAIRS

So your suggestion is ludicrous

And the reason I brought Vanezis into the conversation was to try to get through to you the findings, which you’re unable to assimilate

I have made no ridiculous assumptions or ludicrous suggestions. I have explored the possibility that Nevill Bamber used the phone in the kitchen BEFORE any shots were fired, which means BEFORE he went upstairs and was shot. I have seen no evidence which rules out that possibility. Vanezis' findings have nothing to say about it as you admitted.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

My apologies in advance. I know this is off topic, but apropos of much of what I think I'm looking at here, I'm quoting from "Defending The Guilty" by Alex McBride, a criminal barrister "It doesn't matter that the evidence is overwhelming - or whether he did it or not. All we're interested in is "How can we get him off". "

For a long time now, it's occurred to me that Jeremy's defence could have done a better job. Given that it was SUCH a high profile case, I'd have thought they'd have pulled out all the stops. Maybe they'd have preferred it to have been heard at the Bailey? Maybe they found Jeremy difficult? Maybe what he was telling them didn't fit with what information they had? MAYBE they realized they didn't stand a chance of getting him off?? That being said, it's emerged that there are those wanting to take up where they left off.

I read that his defence barrister didn’t like Jeremy and was reluctant to represent him as he believed Jeremy was indeed guilty.

It must have been a difficult case to defend as there was such overwhelming evidence against him, so maybe the barrister couldn’t even think of a way to get him off

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I have made no ridiculous assumptions or ludicrous suggestions. I have explored the possibility that Nevill Bamber used the phone in the kitchen BEFORE any shots were fired, which means BEFORE he went upstairs and was shot. I have seen no evidence which rules out that possibility. Vanezis' findings have nothing to say about it as you admitted.

You’re not getting it are you?

Nevill would not have wanted to leave Sheila alone upstairs, going berserk with a gun

Furthermore, it’s been proven that Nevill was shot UPSTAIRS first, so he’d hardly leave a deranged, crazy murderer alone with a rifle. He’d have fought her upstairs, not gone into the kitchen

And HAD he gone for the phone, which had been removed from the bedroom, it would’ve been absolutely covered in blood

And I’ll bring Vanezis in again: he stated that Nevill would NOT have been bake to TALK

I’m not repeating this again...so I’ll leave that there for you to muse over

[G-Unit]

You’re not getting it are you?

Nevill would not have wanted to leave Sheila alone upstairs, going berserk with a gun

Furthermore, it’s been proven that Nevill was shot UPSTAIRS first, so he’d hardly leave a deranged, crazy murderer alone with a rifle. He’d have fought her upstairs, not gone into the kitchen

And HAD he gone for the phone, which had been removed from the bedroom, it would’ve been absolutely covered in blood

And I’ll bring Vanezis in again: he stated that Nevill would NOT have been bake to TALK

I’m not repeating this again...so I’ll leave that there for you to muse over

Neither of us are getting the others point, are we?

You say 'Nevill would not have wanted to leave Sheila alone upstairs, going berserk with a gun

Furthermore, it’s been proven that Nevill was shot UPSTAIRS first, so he’d hardly leave a deranged, crazy murderer alone with a rifle. He’d have fought her upstairs, not gone into the kitchen'

Please provide evidence that Sheila was upstairs when the alleged phone call was made.

[APRIL]

I have made no ridiculous assumptions or ludicrous suggestions. I have explored the possibility that Nevill Bamber used the phone in the kitchen BEFORE any shots were fired, which means BEFORE he went upstairs and was shot. I have seen no evidence which rules out that possibility. Vanezis' findings have nothing to say about it as you admitted.

I find it stretches belief to the realms of disbelief imagining that Nevill would allow Sheila to leave the room in which she had "gone berserk and got hold of the gun". The suggestion he would risk that happening to phone Jeremy -ANYONE!!- who may, or not, pick up the phone, appears ludicrous.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Neither of us are getting the others point, are we?

You say 'Nevill would not have wanted to leave Sheila alone upstairs, going berserk with a gun

Furthermore, it’s been proven that Nevill was shot UPSTAIRS first, so he’d hardly leave a deranged, crazy murderer alone with a rifle. He’d have fought her upstairs, not gone into the kitchen'

Please provide evidence that Sheila was upstairs when the alleged phone call was made.

You’ve obviously scant knowledge of the whole thing

Sheila had:

NO GLASS on her feet

NO SUGAR on her feet

NO BLOOD on her feet


If you’re unable to work out that means she could NOT have fought Nevill in the kitchen, you shouldn’t tax your brain further..

[Caroline]

Ok thanks for that,a paper from 1952,hardly up to date.

So secondly did the pathologist at the post mortem of Sheila make any reference to her body seemingly decomposing faster than the others,if not you're using reasons beyond reason itself to try and convince that the child killer Bamber is innocent.

Of course he didn't because the suggestion is ridiculous.

[G-Unit]

I find it stretches belief to the realms of disbelief imagining that Nevill would allow Sheila to leave the room in which she had "gone berserk and got hold of the gun". The suggestion he would risk that happening to phone Jeremy -ANYONE!!- who may, or not, pick up the phone, appears ludicrous.

I do wish people wouldn't speculate as to what Nevill would or wouldn''t do. It is also possible that Sheila was threatening suicide and had locked herself into the downstairs shower room with the gun, is it not? If Nevill was unable to get her to come out he may well have decided to phone for help. Upon which she emerged and went upstairs. Now we have a possible reason why the phone was left off the hook as Nevill heard her and set off in pursuit.

[G-Unit]

You’ve obviously scant knowledge of the whole thing

Sheila had:

NO GLASS on her feet

NO SUGAR on her feet

NO BLOOD on her feet


If you’re unable to work out that means she could NOT have fought Nevill in the kitchen, you shouldn’t tax your brain further..

Do you know whether the slippers in Sheila's room were examined?

[Caroline]

I do wish people wouldn't speculate as to what Nevill would or wouldn''t do. It is also possible that Sheila was threatening suicide and had locked herself into the downstairs shower room with the gun, is it not? If Nevill was unable to get her to come out he may well have decided to phone for help. Upon which she emerged and went upstairs. Now we have a possible reason why the phone was left off the hook as Nevill heard her and set off in pursuit.

You're speculating that he made the call and about Sheila locking herself in a cupboard. There is no reason why he would have left her in a cupboard to call Jeremy when his wife was upstairs. There was no call.

[Caroline]

Do you know whether the slippers in Sheila's room were examined?

They were mens slippers.

[G-Unit]

You're speculating that he made the call and about Sheila locking herself in a cupboard. There is no reason why he would have left her in a cupboard to call Jeremy when his wife was upstairs. There was no call.

No evidence has been offered to explain why the phone call couldn't have happened. All that has been offered is speculation. Anyone can speculate so I decided to demonstrate that I can do it too.

[G-Unit]

They were mens slippers.

Were they examined?

[adam]

What is certain is that Sheila had the gun when Nevill phoned Jeremy. Who says so? Jeremy.

There is no credible situation where Nevill would phone Jeremy in this situation. After he had been shot 4 times upstairs, is too late. Before any shots were fired do not match the words Nevill said -'gone crazy'.

David on the Blue forum suggested Nevill rushed downstairs to phone Jeremy after Sheila started shooting the twins. June remaining in bed & Sheila saving 4 bullets for Nevill when he returned upstairs.

The CT have never said at what stage Nevill called the police.

[adam]

Jeremy believes Nevill phoned him after Nevill had been shot 4 times.

This was the defence stance at trial. I have never read any other suggestion from the CT.