The phone call

[G-Unit]

I have already posted it in reply 634.

The defence had the chance to counter the prosecution and say Nevill could have phoned Jeremy before being shot. But didn't.

I have never read the CT suggest Nevill may have phoned Jeremy prior to being shot.

So because the defence didn't suggest something you deduce it couldn't have happened?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So because the defence didn't suggest something you deduce it couldn't have happened?

If Nevill was shot 4 times before making the phonecall how come he managed to do so without leaving a trace of his blood on the phone?

[adam]

So because the defence didn't suggest something you deduce it couldn't have happened?

Well neither the prosecution or defence believed it was realistic to suggest Nevill rang Jeremy pre rifle shots. For reasons previously mentioned.

If Nevill had the freedom to use the telephone before shots had been fired, he would have disarmed Sheila instead.

How do you believe Sheila could have committed the massacre? You would need to include the magazine attachment, two reloads, a kitchen fight and 1/2 phone calls.

[G-Unit]

Look, you obviously haven’t read much of the case and all the facts

Stop harping in trying to make out Sheila wore slippers

The police weren’t THAT thick!

They searched the whole house and found NO clothes with Sheilas blood on, and NO footwear with blood on

Give up, it’s tedious

I probably don't have as much knowledge as some, but I'm not looking at the whole case. I'm looking only at the possibilty that Nevill Bamber phoned his son, although the thread has wandered off topic somewhat.

Do you have a link to where it says the police searched the whole house please? It would appear that they failed to find the sound moderator, which was a vital piece of the prosecution case, so they weren't all that thorough, were they?

It's easy to stop my 'tedious' questions; give me links to evidence rather than trying to batter me into submission with your opinions.

[G-Unit]

Well neither the prosecution or defence believed it was realistic to suggest Nevill rang Jeremy pre rifle shots. For reasons previously mentioned.

If Nevill had the freedom to use the telephone before shots had been fired, he would have disarmed Sheila instead.

How do you believe Sheila could have committed the massacre? You would need to include the magazine attachment, two reloads, a kitchen fight and 1/2 phone calls.

You are still relying on assumptions; no-one actually knows how things developed and why.

[APRIL]

I probably don't have as much knowledge as some, but I'm not looking at the whole case. I'm looking only at the possibilty that Nevill Bamber phoned his son, although the thread has wandered off topic somewhat.

Do you have a link to where it says the police searched the whole house please? It would appear that they failed to find the sound moderator, which was a vital piece of the prosecution case, so they weren't all that thorough, were they?

It's easy to stop my 'tedious' questions; give me links to evidence rather than trying to batter me into submission with your opinions.

I really can't make up my mind if you're pro Jeremy, playing Devil's advocate, or just doing a wind up for the fun of it.

I'm not sure why you're so keen to point the finger at the police for not finding the silencer. Murder/suicide? Certainly. There was the tableau, spread out before them. Every picture and all that. Why would a silencer have been used? So why would they need to get on hands and knees to crawl into the back of the wedge to see what might be there? How the relatives found it still amazes me, but they, knowing Jeremy, had more reasons to suspect him, than, at that stage, did the police.

Such are some of the questions you pose that it's highly likely that there won't be any links available. There appears to be developing a pattern. Each time one of your "tedious" points is answered -rejected- you move the goal-posts. It causes me to wonder if you're 'avin a larf.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I really can't make up my mind if you're pro Jeremy, playing Devil's advocate, or just doing a wind up for the fun of it.

I'm not sure why you're so keen to point the finger at the police for not finding the silencer. Murder/suicide? Certainly. There was the tableau, spread out before them. Every picture and all that. Why would a silencer have been used? So why would they need to get on hands and knees to crawl into the back of the wedge to see what might be there? How the relatives found it still amazes me, but they, knowing Jeremy, had more reasons to suspect him, than, at that stage, did the police.

Such are some of the questions you pose that it's highly likely that there won't be any links available. There appears to be developing a pattern. Each time one of your "tedious" points is answered -rejected- you move the goal-posts. It causes me to wonder if you're 'avin a larf.

It’s a very well worn tactic that’s been played out on the Madeleine forum for years.

[G-Unit]

I really can't make up my mind if you're pro Jeremy, playing Devil's advocate, or just doing a wind up for the fun of it.

I'm not sure why you're so keen to point the finger at the police for not finding the silencer. Murder/suicide? Certainly. There was the tableau, spread out before them. Every picture and all that. Why would a silencer have been used? So why would they need to get on hands and knees to crawl into the back of the wedge to see what might be there? How the relatives found it still amazes me, but they, knowing Jeremy, had more reasons to suspect him, than, at that stage, did the police.

Such are some of the questions you pose that it's highly likely that there won't be any links available. There appears to be developing a pattern. Each time one of your "tedious" points is answered -rejected- you move the goal-posts. It causes me to wonder if you're 'avin a larf.

It's quite simple really. It's true that Nevill Bamber couldn't have used the telephone after being shot, but he could have used it before he was shot. In 44 pages I have seen no evidence which makes that impossible.

[mrswah]

It's quite simple really. It's true that Nevill Bamber couldn't have used the telephone after being shot, but he could have used it before he was shot. In 44 pages I have seen no evidence which makes that impossible.

Neither have I.

[steve_trousers]

It's quite simple really. It's true that Nevill Bamber couldn't have used the telephone after being shot, but he could have used it before he was shot. In 44 pages I have seen no evidence which makes that impossible.

So we are back to the risible scenario of Nevill squealing for Jeremy before any shooting has taken place.

It isn’t necessary to prove Nevill making the call at all was physically impossible. The point is to prove that it was beyond reasonable doubt that the phone call never took place. I can understand Holly and Mike Tesco disputing the point because they have their own ulterior motives. April has a point, you must be pulling our leg.

[G-Unit]

So we are back to the risible scenario of Nevill squealing for Jeremy before any shooting has taken place.

It isn’t necessary to prove Nevill making the call at all was physically impossible. The point is to prove that it was beyond reasonable doubt that the phone call never took place. I can understand Holly and Mike Tesco disputing the point because they have their own ulterior motives. April has a point, you must be pulling our leg.

You say that it's 'ludicrous' to suggest that Nevill would 'squeal' to Jeremy. That tells me nothing about what Nevill and Jeremy's relationship was like, it just tells me what you believe it was like.

OK. Prove beyond reasonable doubt that the phone call never took place.

[steve_trousers]

You say that it's 'ludicrous' to suggest that Nevill would 'squeal' to Jeremy. That tells me nothing about what Nevill and Jeremy's relationship was like, it just tells me what you believe it was like.

OK. Prove beyond reasonable doubt that the phone call never took place.

No, it tells us what their relationship was actually like based on the facts, not my opinion.

Adam posted this yesterday to assist, then you complained it was too long. Here it is again. Please take the time to read it in it's entirety this time. It shows we are basing our opinions on the facts of the case, and not the walt disney world that Mike Tesko and his other supporters inhabit.

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

[APRIL]

You say that it's 'ludicrous' to suggest that Nevill would 'squeal' to Jeremy. That tells me nothing about what Nevill and Jeremy's relationship was like, it just tells me what you believe it was like.

OK. Prove beyond reasonable doubt that the phone call never took place.

Okay, so you seem to be saying that, unless you see confirmation/affirmation? of some of your more "ludicrous" points in black and white, they aren't valid? Am I correct? I can tell you that I'm fairly well surrounded -less so now so much time has passed- by contemporaries with Nevill and June. One in particular has given me very clear descriptions of what they've witnessed between Jeremy and Nevill. Nevill was fully aware that Jeremy couldn't be relied upon to complete a job or do what he was asked, ergo, it makes it extremely unlikely that he'd have called him in a crisis. The only reason you won't see these testaments in black and white is because they were never asked.

[adam]

It's quite simple really. It's true that Nevill Bamber couldn't have used the telephone after being shot, but he could have used it before he was shot. In 44 pages I have seen no evidence which makes that impossible.

The COA says -

41.

This injury caused severe fracturing of the jaw, of the teeth in that area and damaged soft tissue in the neck and the larynx. These features of this particular injury and the resultant flow of blood into the mouth meant, in the pathologist's opinion, that Nevill Bamber would not have been able to engage in purposeful talk.

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Nevill only said 9 words in around 4 seconds. The prosecution believe this was possible and more likely after the first 4 shots. They would have also added 'crazy' and 'got the gun' to equal shots fired.

[adam]

You say that it's 'ludicrous' to suggest that Nevill would 'squeal' to Jeremy. That tells me nothing about what Nevill and Jeremy's relationship was like, it just tells me what you believe it was like.

OK. Prove beyond reasonable doubt that the phone call never took place.

It cannot be proved whether the phone call took place. Jeremy saying the call took place rounded the suspects down to two.

'Beyond resonable doubt' is then obtained as there are over 60 pieces of forensic evidence from the COA showing it was not Sheila. Together with one alive suspect with motives, opportunity & no alibi. Julie Mugford and circumstantial evidence are also added.