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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The phone call
« Reply #720 on: March 10, 2020, 05:06:33 PM »
Apologies for posting the image with no text, but it won’t seem to allow me to add pictures to my posts
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The phone call
« Reply #721 on: March 10, 2020, 05:20:34 PM »
Dr Vanezis didn't need to be a gunshot expert to comment as he did.  If he didn't feel competent to comment he would say as much as he did when asked about SC's nails.

The covers are ruffled NB's side.



Actually, Dr Vanezis did indeed ask the police to bring in a ballistics expert when carrying out the PM’s, but the police were either unable or unwilling to do that...
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The phone call
« Reply #722 on: March 10, 2020, 05:27:23 PM »
Colin Caffell's book. Sheila had asked him to speak to them when he dropped her and the boys off, but he didn't. He did speak to them about the boys who had asked him to tell their grandmother they didn't want to be made to kneel and pray all the time. Daniel had decided he was vegetarian and was afraid of June shouting at him if he didn't eat his meat also.

According to Colin Sheila had told her parents she wasn't happy with her treatment, but got the 'we know best' treatment. She was unhappy with her psychiatrist but her parents 'had absolute faith' in him. Colin told her to take charge and not let herself be treated like a child. He told her she needed to stand up to them.

Well, as Sheila found it hard to even stand up to her parents vocally, it beggars belief that she could engineer it to murder them violently and beat her father to a pulp for good measure
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The phone call
« Reply #723 on: March 10, 2020, 05:38:11 PM »
I guess they thought they were doing the best they could - with a 35 year hindsight I guess it's easy to find fault. However, I doubt anyone has ever killed themselves and took others with them after a suggestion that they might stay in a convalescent home in Bournemouth.

Pamela spoke to June at 10 pm on the night and June mentioned how worried she was about Sheila and that she was trying to persuade her to take a holiday at a home in Bournemouth. Pamela later elaborated saying it was  a 'nursing home' and a 'Christian community'. Whatever it was it doesn't sound like the kind of place Sheila would choose to go to. Pamela spoke to Sheila then June came back on and said Sheila had gone to bed.
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Offline APRIL

Re: The phone call
« Reply #724 on: March 10, 2020, 05:42:27 PM »
Well, as Sheila found it hard to even stand up to her parents vocally, it beggars belief that she could engineer it to murder them violently and beat her father to a pulp for good measure


It maybe coincidental, but a few days earlier, she'd wanted to leave the party. Her first port of call was Colin, who refused because he'd had a drink -well, it was his party- but suggested she ask Jeremy. She asked Colin to ask Jeremy on her behalf. Within days, she's asking him again for his support.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The phone call
« Reply #725 on: March 10, 2020, 05:52:14 PM »
I'm sure G-Unit and I could club together to find somewhere for you without access to the internet to give you and us a complete break  8)--))
How incredibly rude.
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Offline Myster

Re: The phone call
« Reply #726 on: March 10, 2020, 05:56:23 PM »
Apologies for posting the image with no text, but it won’t seem to allow me to add pictures to my posts
Two more bedroom crime scene photos with ruffled blankets and indented pillow. Nevill's blue socks were on the floor and his dayclothes on the chair. He had already showered as per his usual routine, changed into light-blue pyjamas and was in bed when the assault by his son began, end of...
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Offline Myster

Re: The phone call
« Reply #727 on: March 10, 2020, 06:17:52 PM »
Two casings out of DRH 3, 4, 13 and 14 resulted from the last two shots to June's head, which means that Holly's idea of Nevill being shot four times whilst on the landing(s) and stairs is unsustainable, simply because the rifle was pointing downwards and the casings ejected to its right, directly onto and cushioned by the carpet near the doorway.

https://www.dropbox.com/h?preview=Anschutz-Casing-Ejection-Large.gif
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The phone call
« Reply #728 on: March 10, 2020, 06:37:06 PM »
My, you get quite agressive and insulting don't you? You need to understand that nothing you can say will affect how I think or what I post. You can say I 'look like a fool' but please don't assume I care what you think.

May I suggest you read what I say instead of inventing your own version?

I did not say that Sheila woke up and then woke Nevill up to go for a chat.

I think it's possible that Nevill never went to bed. Sheila was known to ring her father from London when she couldn't sleep and talk to him into the early hours [CAL book page 111]. It's not ludicrous to imagine that she heard him downstairs and came down to speak to him in the living room where he tended to sit at the end of the day.

If she left him sitting there and went 'to the toilet', for example she would have been able to go and get the gun without him even knowing she was doing it.





I’m merely reading your ridiculous scenarios that you’ve made up in your head, and which don’t make sense

Your suggestions of events do make you look foolish, but as you don’t care about that you shouldn’t get upset with me for saying so...

You may think it isn’t ludicrous to imagine Nevill sitting alone for hours in the sitting room, and for Sheila to suddenly awake and decide to go down to “chat with him”, but you’re not thinking logically

Besides Sheila being tired and exhausted from her medication, and it’s established she was in bed, why would Nevill be sat downstairs for hours, alone? His regular routine was to shower in the evening; pour himself a G&T, and sit having a cigarette before going to bed. He went to bed relatively early, say, around 11:30pm as he had to rise early to start work on the farm.

Photos prove he had slept in his bed that night, so again, your imaginary story doesn’t add up

If for any reason Sheila did want to speak to him in confidence, she had all the time and opportunity to do so during the next day. All you’ve highlighted is that Sheila was extremely close to him — so much so she was able to speak to him at length on the phone — so why on earth would she want to shoot dead her father who protected her, helped her, gave her advice, and doted on her too?

You’re also going against your usual argument that Sheila had suddenly gone “berserk”. Had she been going berserk they could have hardly sat having a long conversation could they?

And your suggestion that Sheila said she was going to the loo so she could pick up the gun and lock herself in the bathroom is equally ridiculous. For one thing, there was no gun laying around.

I don’t believe for one moment that Jeremy had taken it out the gun cupboard at around 9pm because he thought he heard rabbits. Besides not enjoying shooting and being a bad shot, he was extremely lazy. Had he truly heard rabbits, which in itself sounds odd, he’d not have taken time to get the rifle and try and shoot them.

He had been working all day; was bored to tears; lazy as hell — and wanted to get home.

He even asked Nevill if he’d collect the last bake of hay that night, so why would he spend time trying to shoot rabbits which he had no interest in rather than shooting off in his car?

And why load it with a full round of ammunition just to try and kill one or two rabbits?

Neither do I believe for a second that he left that loaded gun on the settle — or in the kitchen — depending on which lie of his you want to believe. Even he wouldn’t be that irresponsible, and what's more, Nevill would most definitely have spotted it there and immediately locked it away in the gun cupboard just as he always, always did. We know for a fact Nevill spoke on the phone to his secretary after Jeremy left, so are you suggesting Nevill didn’t see that long loaded rifle while he was in the kitchen? Or when they were stacking the dishwasher after dinner?  You’re saying none of them spotted that rifle laying there?

And are you suggesting Nevill would have left a loaded firearm on the kitchen worktop or settle when his two six-year-old grandsons were there? You could hardly miss it. And he would have seen it had it been on the settle because he locked all the doors at night.

Jeremy HID that rifle before leaving WHF.

Jeremy took that rifle, loaded it, took extra ammunition, and hid it in a cupboard — it’s obvious.

Jeremy never heard rabbits

Jeremy never walked out in front of his family holding that rifle saying he was off to shoot rabbits

He was a burglar, a thief, and a liar. He sneakily hid that rifle somewhere, knowing Nevill would have no idea it had been taken out the gun cupboard.

And when Jeremy retuned later, he went straight to that hiding place, picked up the gun and quietly made his way up the stairs...




 
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Offline APRIL

Re: The phone call
« Reply #729 on: March 10, 2020, 07:03:00 PM »




I’m merely reading your ridiculous scenarios that you’ve made up in your head, and which don’t make sense

Your suggestions of events do make you look foolish, but as you don’t care about that you shouldn’t get upset with me for saying so...

You may think it isn’t ludicrous to imagine Nevill sitting alone for hours in the sitting room, and for Sheila to suddenly awake and decide to go down to “chat with him”, but you’re not thinking logically

Besides Sheila being tired and exhausted from her medication, and it’s established she was in bed, why would Nevill be sat downstairs for hours, alone? His regular routine was to shower in the evening; pour himself a G&T, and sit having a cigarette before going to bed. He went to bed relatively early, say, around 11:30pm as he had to rise early to start work on the farm.

Photos prove he had slept in his bed that night, so again, your imaginary story doesn’t add up

If for any reason Sheila did want to speak to him in confidence, she had all the time and opportunity to do so during the next day. All you’ve highlighted is that Sheila was extremely close to him — so much so she was able to speak to him at length on the phone — so why on earth would she want to shoot dead her father who protected her, helped her, gave her advice, and doted on her too?

You’re also going against your usual argument that Sheila had suddenly gone “berserk”. Had she been going berserk they could have hardly sat having a long conversation could they?

And your suggestion that Sheila said she was going to the loo so she could pick up the gun and lock herself in the bathroom is equally ridiculous. For one thing, there was no gun laying around.

I don’t believe for one moment that Jeremy had taken it out the gun cupboard at around 9pm because he thought he heard rabbits. Besides not enjoying shooting and being a bad shot, he was extremely lazy. Had he truly heard rabbits, which in itself sounds odd, he’d not have taken time to get the rifle and try and shoot them.

He had been working all day; was bored to tears; lazy as hell — and wanted to get home.

He even asked Nevill if he’d collect the last bake of hay that night, so why would he spend time trying to shoot rabbits which he had no interest in rather than shooting off in his car?

And why load it with a full round of ammunition just to try and kill one or two rabbits?

Neither do I believe for a second that he left that loaded gun on the settle — or in the kitchen — depending on which lie of his you want to believe. Even he wouldn’t be that irresponsible, and what's more, Nevill would most definitely have spotted it there and immediately locked it away in the gun cupboard just as he always, always did. We know for a fact Nevill spoke on the phone to his secretly after Jeremy left, so are you suggesting Nevill didn’t see that long loaded rifle while he was in the kitchen? Or when they were stacking the dishwasher after dinner?  You’re saying none of them spotted that rifle laying there?

And are you suggesting Nevill would have left a loaded firearm on the kitchen worktop or settle when his two six-year-old grandsons were there? You could hardly miss it. And he would have seen it had it been on the settle because he locked all the doors at night.

Jeremy HID that rifle before leaving WHF.

Jeremy took that rifle, loaded it, took extra ammunition, and hid it in a cupboard — it’s obvious.

Jeremy never heard rabbits

Jeremy never walked out in front of his family holding that rifle saying he was off to shoot rabbits

He was a burglar, a thief, and a liar. He sneakily hid that rifle somewhere, knowing Nevill would have no idea it had been taken out the gun cupboard.

And when Jeremy retuned later, he went straight to that hiding place, picked up the gun and quietly made his way up the stairs...


I reiterate. When it came to the 'script' Jeremy held all the cards. As the only member of the family to leave the kitchen alive he was able to furnish the police with details of his actions and their conversation in a way which best suited the eventual outcome. There was no one to challenge him..................unless we could find the rabbits he missed. Crispy was too traumatized.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #730 on: March 10, 2020, 07:17:17 PM »
Dr Vanezis didn't need to be a gunshot expert to comment as he did.  If he didn't feel competent to comment he would say as much as he did when asked about SC's nails.

The covers are ruffled NB's side.

As they would be after June was shot in bed several times.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #731 on: March 10, 2020, 07:18:45 PM »
Dr Vanezis didn't need to be a gunshot expert to comment as he did.  If he didn't feel competent to comment he would say as much as he did when asked about SC's nails.

The covers are ruffled NB's side.

I imagine his comment was in line with 4 murders and a suicide, not that the shooter may have staged the scene.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #732 on: March 10, 2020, 07:26:54 PM »

I think that’s just one angle of the bed that the photographer took

In other images you can clearly see how the duvet is ruffled back like when you get up quickly

And like you say, the imprint of Nevill’s head is on the pillow

I’ve tried attaching two photographs but they won’t seem to load...shall try again

I have seen all angles of the bed and the yes the covers are ruffled but that doesn't prove Nevill went to bed. Given what must have happened in the bedroom they could have become ruffled at any time. Also, I don't think June or Nevill were pillow fluffers - given the state of the rest of the house. It's a theory - nothing more.

Offline Caroline

Re: The phone call
« Reply #733 on: March 10, 2020, 07:29:59 PM »
Pamela spoke to June at 10 pm on the night and June mentioned how worried she was about Sheila and that she was trying to persuade her to take a holiday at a home in Bournemouth. Pamela later elaborated saying it was  a 'nursing home' and a 'Christian community'. Whatever it was it doesn't sound like the kind of place Sheila would choose to go to. Pamela spoke to Sheila then June came back on and said Sheila had gone to bed.

Trying to 'persuade' not forcing. Tell you what, heaven forbid someone tries to persuade me to go glamping!  8()(((@# 8()(((@# @)(++(*

Offline G-Unit

Re: The phone call
« Reply #734 on: March 10, 2020, 08:23:13 PM »

I’m merely reading your ridiculous scenarios that you’ve made up in your head, and which don’t make sense

Your suggestions of events do make you look foolish, but as you don’t care about that you shouldn’t get upset with me for saying so...

Your attitude doesn't upset me but I'm not going to ingnore your behaviour either. When I see people posting in an aggressive or disrespectful manner I draw attantion to it because there's no excuse for it in my opinion.

You may think it isn’t ludicrous to imagine Nevill sitting alone for hours in the sitting room, and for Sheila to suddenly awake and decide to go down to “chat with him”, but you’re not thinking logically


Besides Sheila being tired and exhausted from her medication, and it’s established she was in bed, why would Nevill be sat downstairs for hours, alone? His regular routine was to shower in the evening; pour himself a G&T, and sit having a cigarette before going to bed. He went to bed relatively early, say, around 11:30pm as he had to rise early to start work on the farm.

I didn't say Nevill sat downstairs for hours alone. He was still in the fields at 10:30 pm, then he had to put things away, walk the dogs and put one in the barn, take his shower and go to the living room to get his drink and relax. Taking maybe an hour. It's established that Sheila went to bed at 10:00 pm. She could well have come down to talk to her father if she was unable to sleep. It's a matter of record that Nevill would speak to her on the phone until the early hours, so why not in person?

Photos prove he had slept in his bed that night, so again, your imaginary story doesn’t add up

I don't think it's proved.

If for any reason Sheila did want to speak to him in confidence, she had all the time and opportunity to do so during the next day. All you’ve highlighted is that Sheila was extremely close to him — so much so she was able to speak to him at length on the phone — so why on earth would she want to shoot dead her father who protected her, helped her, gave her advice, and doted on her too?

It was at night when Sheila couldn't sleep that she needed company. I never said that she wanted to shoot her father.

You’re also going against your usual argument that Sheila had suddenly gone “berserk”. Had she been going berserk they could have hardly sat having a long conversation could they?

She appears to have gone berserk around three in the morning.

And your suggestion that Sheila said she was going to the loo so she could pick up the gun and lock herself in the bathroom is equally ridiculous. For one thing, there was no gun laying around.

It wouldn't be the first time that the gun had been left in the scullery on the settle. Robert Boutflower saw it there on 18th July. Nevill picked it up and put it in the cupboard, but whether he then locked it wasn't said.

I don’t believe for one moment that Jeremy had taken it out the gun cupboard at around 9pm because he thought he heard rabbits. Besides not enjoying shooting and being a bad shot, he was extremely lazy. Had he truly heard rabbits, which in itself sounds odd, he’d not have taken time to get the rifle and try and shoot them.

Saw, not heard. Rabbits don't make noises except in death.

He had been working all day; was bored to tears; lazy as hell — and wanted to get home.

He even asked Nevill if he’d collect the last bake of hay that night, so why would he spend time trying to shoot rabbits which he had no interest in rather than shooting off in his car?

And why load it with a full round of ammunition just to try and kill one or two rabbits?

Neither do I believe for a second that he left that loaded gun on the settle — or in the kitchen — depending on which lie of his you want to believe. Even he wouldn’t be that irresponsible, and what's more, Nevill would most definitely have spotted it there and immediately locked it away in the gun cupboard just as he always, always did. We know for a fact Nevill spoke on the phone to his secretly after Jeremy left, so are you suggesting Nevill didn’t see that long loaded rifle while he was in the kitchen? Or when they were stacking the dishwasher after dinner?  You’re saying none of them spotted that rifle laying there?

And are you suggesting Nevill would have left a loaded firearm on the kitchen worktop or settle when his two six-year-old grandsons were there? You could hardly miss it. And he would have seen it had it been on the settle because he locked all the doors at night.

Jeremy HID that rifle before leaving WHF.

Jeremy took that rifle, loaded it, took extra ammunition, and hid it in a cupboard — it’s obvious.

Jeremy never heard rabbits

Jeremy never walked out in front of his family holding that rifle saying he was off to shoot rabbits

Because the rifle wasn't in the kitchen, it was in the scullery.

He was a burglar, a thief, and a liar. He sneakily hid that rifle somewhere, knowing Nevill would have no idea it had been taken out the gun cupboard.

And when Jeremy retuned later, he went straight to that hiding place, picked up the gun and quietly made his way up the stairs...
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