The phone call

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Who are you quoting above? 

Physcopathy does not wax and wane:

https://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/

Clearly JB isn't and never has been a psychopath.

That link is created by Jeremy Bamber’s  team — it’s warped and distorted

Fact is, a psychologist cannot diagnose psychopathy: only a psychiatrist can do that — which two have

And these “27 psychologists” are simply prison psychologists who check up on all inmates annually. They’re not there to diagnose as they can’t: they’re just there to see how the inmate is getting on

[mrswah]

PLEASE could we refrain from making personal remarks about fellow posters. We're better than that.

Thank you.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I was wondering why Nevill Bamber would ring his son and came up with the possibility that he didn't.  Maybe it was someone else who made that call, someone who wanted Jeremy Bamber to go to White House Farm?

That would be an interesting point IF Nevill decided to phone Jeremy after Sheila had already shot him four times upstairs, and she was still going berserk with the gun

Nevill was a cool-headed intelligent man: he’d have called 999 as this was an EMERGENCY whereby police were needed including paramedics .

Nevill possibly didn’t know Jeremy’s phone number off by heart, but even if he did do, he’d have known that at between 3:00 & 3:30am Jeremy would have been fast asleep (probably in a deep sleep too), his head stuffed in the pillow, and the only phone in Goldhanger was downstairs. It’s quite hard to be woken up by a phone ringing from downstairs...certainly takes a while to rouse you out of a sleep if indeed you hear it at all...so this EMERGENCY was being treated very casually by Nevill 

You don’t like to see the facts...that it was Jeremy who dialled his number after killing them all, then he cut the phone off leaving his own landline clear.

Of course, we’ll never know if it was Crispy who phoned as Jeremy had him put down before he could make a confession 😳

[Holly Goodhead]

That link is created by Jeremy Bamber’s  team — it’s warped and distorted

Fact is, a psychologist cannot diagnose psychopathy: only a psychiatrist can do that — which two have

And these “27 psychologists” are simply prison psychologists who check up on all inmates annually. They’re not there to diagnose as they can’t: they’re just there to see how the inmate is getting on

Psychologists are qualified to diagnose personality disorders including psychopathy.

Please provide cites/sources for the two psychiatrists you refer to who have diagnosed JB with psychopathy.

[Caroline]

Psychologists are qualified to diagnose personality disorders including psychopathy.

Please provide cites/sources for the two psychiatrists you refer to who have diagnosed JB with psychopathy.

He was classified as a psychopath before trial - the mantra is that this was done without the psychiatrist seeing Bamber - personally, I think that's horsesh*t.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Psychologists are qualified to diagnose personality disorders including psychopathy.

Please provide cites/sources for the two psychiatrists you refer to who have diagnosed JB with psychopathy.

Psychopathy actually is a personality disorder, Holly

You’re correct in that some psychologists can diagnose psychopathy, such as consultant clinical psychologists with a PhD, but an inexperienced psychologist could possibly themselves be bamboozled by a clever psychopath.

The differences between a psychologist and a psychiatrist is that the latter is medically trained and able to prescribe medication, whereas psychologists aren’t able to prescribe medication. Secondly, as psychologists aren’t trained in chemistry and don’t always have a PhD, they’re unable to medically treat people with mental conditions such as bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis etc. Psychologists are trained to help people with emotional disturbances by using alternative therapies, such as cognitive behaviour therapy etc. I’m in no way undermining clinical psychologists; their training is intense and likened to a science, and they can be invaluable in helping people with emotional disturbances; but they can’t treat the mental health conditions I’ve mentioned.

As for psychopathy, even psychiatrists can’t heal them as they aren’t suffering from a treatable mental health problem. Psychopathy is a disorder.

I shall find the links to where the consultant psychiatrists diagnosed Jeremy Bamber with having psychopathy and post them ASAP. I’m surprised you yourself haven’t seen the reports given how long you’ve followed the case – I came across them within days of researching the history....

[ISpyWithMyEye]

There's no evidence JB refused officers access to his medi records.

During his police interviews he was asked to provide authority for the police to look through his bank account which he did.

Where in his police interview was he asked about his medi records?

Why do you keep insisting JB has been diagnosed with psychopathy when he hasn't?

Please do not post up fake information.

Holly, please stop saying I post fake information — I do not! I resent that.

I’ve no NEED to lie, nor would I as I’d only look stupid.

There’s is indeed evidence that Jeremy Bamber refused police access to his medical records — I’ve seen it. And I don’t hallucinate. That’s another task you’ve given me...I need to hunt that down too. But I shall do, simply to appease you.

Every time I or anyone else posts something you don’t like, you accuse them of lying or ask them for proof. As I said in my previous post, as you’ve spent possibly almost 10 years researching JB it’s astonishing you’ve missed such startling observations!

The facts are, whether you like them or not (and I know you don’t) is that Jeremy Bamber definitely was diagnosed a psychopath (and psychopaths are untreatable, so he’s STILL a psychopath) and he DID refuse police access to his medical records.

Stop calling me a liar just because you want to believe Jeremy Bamber is something you’ve created in YOUR head.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I'd have been surprised if police had asked for his medical records. I can't imagine that his psychopathy would have been of concern to them. However, I know, for certain, that the psychiatrist who assessed him when he was on remand claimed him to be "an inveterate liar, a fantasist, and undoubtedly, a psychopath". I also know OF another psychiatrist who has had similar to say of him, but that's not mine to go into. I can only suggest that the reason their findings haven't been released is because, like NUMEROUS others, anti and pro, who have met, or known Jeremy, they haven't ever been asked.

April, I agree with almost every word you say, but it’s absolutely true that Jeremy Bamber refused police and the prosecution access to his medical records.

Prosecutors would most certainly want access to anyone’s medical records if they’ve been charged with murdering five people. Even insurance companies/DVLA/businesses/DWP and a whole host of agencies can demand access to medical records, even if you’re the complainant. And if you refuse they can seek a court order if they do wish. Anyone who refuses access to their medical records will be seen as hiding something and it will go against them.

But you’re right, Jeremy Bamber was indeed diagnosed a psychopath — and one of those psychiatrists was working for him and the defence!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Who are you quoting above? 

Physcopathy does not wax and wane:

https://jeremybamber.org/psychological-reports/

Clearly JB isn't and never has been a psychopath.

Where has April mentioned psychopathy waxes and wanes? She never said that, Holly

And why are you posting links that’s been written by Jeremy Bamber himself?!

That’s like asking someone to write themselves a reference...

JB MANIPULATES the facts. Cherrypicks. Exaggerates and hushes up in equal measure. Distorts.

I’m surprised you take that rubbish seriously!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

He clearly is and you do yourself no favours by linking to that website.

I’m too surprised Holly put that link up

It’s littered with distortions

JB doesn’t mention that the 27 psychologists who saw him just once a year, were in fact prison psychologists who see EVERY inmate and only do so to establish if there’s any change in their behaviour or cause for concern.

They don’t visit the inmates to make a diagnosis — it’s a simple annual check-up to make sure they’re OK. And it appears Jeremy has fitted in well to prison life.

When that report was done after his 27 years interment he was as he’s always been since being in prison: he’s knuckled down, got himself a little job, goes to the gym, watches his favourite TV programmes, plays with his Gameboy thing, writes letters, appears to enjoy the food, and is pleased as punch he can lock his cell when he goes to shower etc 👍 He comes across upbeat and has settled in really well — I’m sure he’s thrilled to think how proud Nevill would be of him now he’s toeing the line 😊

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I suspect he is probably guilty, but I do think there is reasonable doubt, and I don't think it is out of the question that Sheila could have done it.

The jury didn’t think there was doubt he did it

Nor did they believe for a second that Sheila could have or would have

[Holly Goodhead]

He was classified as a psychopath before trial - the mantra is that this was done without the psychiatrist seeing Bamber - personally, I think that's horsesh*t.

He wasn't classified as a psychopath before trial.  According to Wilkes book the defence spoke with a psychologist? pshysiatrist? in chambers before trial who said something like psychopaths are able to deny and push things to the back of their minds.  How does this equate to JB being formally diagnosed as a psychopath?  How can an appropriately qualified person diagnose an individual with psychopathy he/she hasn't even spoken with let alone met face to face?

Prof Vincent Egan has confirmed JB is not a psychopath which means he never has been and never will be since psychopathy doesn't wax and wane.

[Holly Goodhead]

Psychopathy actually is a personality disorder, Holly

You’re correct in that some psychologists can diagnose psychopathy, such as consultant clinical psychologists with a PhD, but an inexperienced psychologist could possibly themselves be bamboozled by a clever psychopath.

The differences between a psychologist and a psychiatrist is that the latter is medically trained and able to prescribe medication, whereas psychologists aren’t able to prescribe medication. Secondly, as psychologists aren’t trained in chemistry and don’t always have a PhD, they’re unable to medically treat people with mental conditions such as bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis etc. Psychologists are trained to help people with emotional disturbances by using alternative therapies, such as cognitive behaviour therapy etc. I’m in no way undermining clinical psychologists; their training is intense and likened to a science, and they can be invaluable in helping people with emotional disturbances; but they can’t treat the mental health conditions I’ve mentioned.

As for psychopathy, even psychiatrists can’t heal them as they aren’t suffering from a treatable mental health problem. Psychopathy is a disorder.

I shall find the links to where the consultant psychiatrists diagnosed Jeremy Bamber with having psychopathy and post them ASAP. I’m surprised you yourself haven’t seen the reports given how long you’ve followed the case – I came across them within days of researching the history....

I know what psychopathy is thank you.

Prof Vincent Egan is qualified  to determine whether or not JB suffers psychopathy.  He has determined he doesn't suffer such and since it doesn't wax and wane we know he never has been and never will be.

If you have come across reports claiming otherwise then please post up otherwise its your opinion not a fact.

[Holly Goodhead]

I’m too surprised Holly put that link up

It’s littered with distortions

JB doesn’t mention that the 27 psychologists who saw him just once a year, were in fact prison psychologists who see EVERY inmate and only do so to establish if there’s any change in their behaviour or cause for concern.

They don’t visit the inmates to make a diagnosis — it’s a simple annual check-up to make sure they’re OK. And it appears Jeremy has fitted in well to prison life.

When that report was done after his 27 years interment he was as he’s always been since being in prison: he’s knuckled down, got himself a little job, goes to the gym, watches his favourite TV programmes, plays with his Gameboy thing, writes letters, appears to enjoy the food, and is pleased as punch he can lock his cell when he goes to shower etc 👍 He comes across upbeat and has settled in really well — I’m sure he’s thrilled to think how proud Nevill would be of him now he’s toeing the line 😊

The link quotes Prof Egan confirming JB does not/has not suffered psychopathy.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There is no actual diagnosis of psychopathy in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.  The best diagnostic instrument to date is the Psychopathy checklist-Revised, is designed to evaluate the recognized characteristics of psychopathic personality and behavior:

glibness/superficial charm
grandiose sense of self worth
need for stimulation/prone to boredom
pathological lying
conning/manipulative
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow emotional response
callous/lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
promiscuous sexual behavior
early behavioral problems
lack of realistic long term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for their own actions
many short term relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility
The PCL-R assesses these traits with a clinical rating scale of 20 items. Each item is scored on a three-point scale of 0, 1 or 2, according to specific criteria that is obtained through file information and structured interviews. A value of 0 is assigned if the item does not apply, 1 if it applies somewhat, and 2 if it fully applies. Anyone who scores over 30 is diagnosed with psychopathy.

Hmm....I can see quite a few of Bamber’s traits on this list...