Maddie cops seek yet more cash

[Lace]

I think OG needed more money to help the German police get evidence on CB.

It is very difficult even if you know someone is guilty of a crime to get the evidence to prove it.  The phone call for one.  It was a burner phone so if this person was in on it,  this person is very unlikely to get in touch with the police,  but without that person coming forward they can't place CB by the Ocean Club.   Maybe others knew this persons phone number but I doubt it,  if it was used just for the crimes it would be unlikely the number was shared.

The only way is to go over the witnesses statements and see if there is anything they can pursue.  There must be people out there who know and are not speaking up.  They were terrified of CB he carried a gun, whether that was for his own protection or to intimidate who knows.

I wonder if they could get DNA from the swim suits found in his van.  Maybe finding out who those belonged to could give them more information on CB.

[G-Unit]

So is it a fact then that

Sceptics DO have beliefs and many of them DO believe they know better than the Met and the BKA - that is a FACT, which can be borne out by reading the millions of views that they have been so very kind to share with us in the last 16 years, some of which are even posted on this forum.  To claim that sceptics have no beliefs is hogwash of the highest order.

Facts;

I expect some 'sceptics' do have beliefs, but suggesting they are shared by all is an assumption. Views not expressed on this forum aren't relevant here unless they are included in cites, and even then can't be assumed to apply to people posting here. Your views are immaterial unless evidence supporting them is provided. I can say 'supporters believe Madeleine is alive', but it's not true.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Facts;

I expect some 'sceptics' do have beliefs, but suggesting they are shared by all is an assumption. Views not expressed on this forum aren't relevant here unless they are included in cites, and even then can't be assumed to apply to people posting here. Your views are immaterial unless evidence supporting them is provided. I can say 'supporters believe Madeleine is alive', but it's not true.

So are you saying that not all sceptics believe the McCanns are hiding something and should be investigated further?  Are you saying some sceptics accept that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger?   Absolute horse crap. IMO.

[Brietta]

I see no point in this discussion. I'm interested in accuracy and you're interested in accusing me of having 'feelings' which you are busily inventing.

Neither do I.

I think that may well be due to the fact that the topic of continuation of money for the Madelaine McCann investigation has predictably degenerated as always into more Off Topic musings.

Members and mods are free to discuss whatever takes their fancy just by starting a new thread. 

[Brietta]

I think OG needed more money to help the German police get evidence on CB.

It is very difficult even if you know someone is guilty of a crime to get the evidence to prove it.  The phone call for one.  It was a burner phone so if this person was in on it,  this person is very unlikely to get in touch with the police,  but without that person coming forward they can't place CB by the Ocean Club.   Maybe others knew this persons phone number but I doubt it,  if it was used just for the crimes it would be unlikely the number was shared.

The only way is to go over the witnesses statements and see if there is anything they can pursue.  There must be people out there who know and are not speaking up.  They were terrified of CB he carried a gun, whether that was for his own protection or to intimidate who knows.

I wonder if they could get DNA from the swim suits found in his van.  Maybe finding out who those belonged to could give them more information on CB.

Running any police investigation costs a lot of money. But rarely, if ever has every penny of expenditure been grudged in the way it is and always has been for Madeleine McCann's investigation.

Bizarrely this prejudice predated the Home Office decision to fund Scotland Yard detectives when her parents were raising the money required to finance their own private investigators.

There have always been campaigns directed against any initiative on behalf of Madeleine McCann.  In recognition that it takes money to keep an investigation going one of the most blatant wrecking procedures was sustained attack on that front.
When no-one else in the world was looking for her but her parents the vehicle used to finance that search was classed it as "The 'Fraudulent' Fund" by these seriously weird individuals.  Seems apparent there have always been those who just do not want Madeleine found judging by their attacks on the only means of investigation.

Scotland Yard have requested further funding because there must have been justification to do so.

The Home Office have agreed to continue funding because they must have just cause for doing so. 

Both SY and the HO are in full possession of the facts which justify their actions in doing so.

[G-Unit]

So are you saying that not all sceptics believe the McCanns are hiding something and should be investigated further?  Are you saying some sceptics accept that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger?   Absolute horse crap. IMO.

Now you're getting down to specifics. That's a nice change from throwing vague accusations at all 'sceptics' anyway. Now that was horse crap imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Now you're getting down to specifics. That's a nice change from throwing vague accusations at all 'sceptics' anyway. Now that was horse crap imo.

ALL sceptics believe elements of the  McCanns version of events are untrue.  ALL sceptics doubt that Madeleine was abducted.  MOST sceptics (including yourself) doubt CB is in any way involved in her disappearance.  Now tell me that that is horse crap.  You can't because it's the truth.

[Eleanor]

It really doesn't matter what happens, whether Madeleine is found dead or alive or where, Sceptics will always believe that The McCanns were involved.  I don't know why this is so and I don't really care anymore.  I am here just to put the record straight when I see blatant lies and obfuscations.  And to try to prevent this Forum from turning into a cess pit.

This is generally a good Forum and I want to keep it that way, although it is often hard work these days.  But I don't have an awful lot else to do and I know more about this case than some whom I won't bother to mention.  So en y var as they say in France.

[kizzy]

I think OG needed more money to help the German police get evidence on CB.

It is very difficult even if you know someone is guilty of a crime to get the evidence to prove it.  The phone call for one.  It was a burner phone so if this person was in on it,  this person is very unlikely to get in touch with the police,  but without that person coming forward they can't place CB by the Ocean Club.   Maybe others knew this persons phone number but I doubt it,  if it was used just for the crimes it would be unlikely the number was shared.

The only way is to go over the witnesses statements and see if there is anything they can pursue.  There must be people out there who know and are not speaking up.  They were terrified of CB he carried a gun, whether that was for his own protection or to intimidate who knows.

I wonder if they could get DNA from the swim suits found in his van.  Maybe finding out who those belonged to could give them more information on CB.

It is very difficult even if you know someone is guilty of a crime to get the evidence to prove it.

Couldnt agree more with that.

[Brietta]

It really doesn't matter what happens, whether Madeleine is found dead or alive or where, Sceptics will always believe that The McCanns were involved.  I don't know why this is so and I don't really care anymore.  I am here just to put the record straight when I see blatant lies and obfuscations.  And to try to prevent this Forum from turning into a cess pit.

This is generally a good Forum and I want to keep it that way, although it is often hard work these days.  But I don't have an awful lot else to do and I know more about this case than some whom I won't bother to mention.  So en y var as they say in France.

Agreed Eleanor, this is an excellent forum with more than one string to its bow.  There are few restrictions for members and plenty of inbuilt freedom for them to pretty much say what they want to say.
I hate to see that abused.

There has been constant scrutiny of the Home Office funding for Operation Grange and regular parliamentary questions asked and answered.  In turn the Home Office is kept up to speed on progression of the case.  "the progress" is wording which should be taken on board
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“The Home Office regularly liaises with the Operation Grange investigation team to assess progress and challenge the use of funds as necessary. I also refer the Lord to my response to HL1446 and HL1447 concerning the National Audit Office’s review of Operation Grange in 2019 which determined that its oversight and governance by the Home Office was effective and that the Operation was compliant with the principles of Managing Public Money.” Anwer in the Lords 6th December 2021
https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2021-11-22/HL4255

Obviously as stated, there has to be transparency for money coming from the public purse but I must admit I feel a bit let down as a Briton. Particularly when witnessing the Germans just rolling up their sleeves and getting on with the job of looking for a Briton only because the evidence to justify doing so is there.
I'm sure German public finances are as strapped as ours but Justice even for foreigners is demonstrably an ethos for them which we didn't latch onto until Scotland Yard opened their case in 2013 to continued resistance from some from then till now.

[Mr Gray]

Agreed Eleanor, this is an excellent forum with more than one string to its bow.  There are few restrictions for members and plenty of inbuilt freedom for them to pretty much say what they want to say.
I hate to see that abused.

There has been constant scrutiny of the Home Office funding for Operation Grange and regular parliamentary questions asked and answered.  In turn the Home Office is kept up to speed on progression of the case.  "the progress" is wording which should be taken on board
Snip
“The Home Office regularly liaises with the Operation Grange investigation team to assess progress and challenge the use of funds as necessary. I also refer the Lord to my response to HL1446 and HL1447 concerning the National Audit Office’s review of Operation Grange in 2019 which determined that its oversight and governance by the Home Office was effective and that the Operation was compliant with the principles of Managing Public Money.” Anwer in the Lords 6th December 2021
https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2021-11-22/HL4255

Obviously as stated, there has to be transparency for money coming from the public purse but I must admit I feel a bit let down as a Briton. Particularly when witnessing the Germans just rolling up their sleeves and getting on with the job of looking for a Briton only because the evidence to justify doing so is there.
I'm sure German public finances are as strapped as ours but Justice even for foreigners is demonstrably an ethos for them which we didn't latch onto until Scotland Yard opened their case in 2013 to continued resistance from some from then till now.

Sorry Brietta but any forum that allows a moderator to call a poster a liar...with the blessing of the forum owner...is not an excellent forum..

[Lace]

It is very difficult even if you know someone is guilty of a crime to get the evidence to prove it.

Couldnt agree more with that.

Well there isn't any evidence against the McCann's as they are innocent.

[Wonderfulspam]

Well there isn't any evidence against the McCann's as they are innocent.

That's not entirely true. Martin Smiths alleged sighting of Gerry is evidence.

[sadie]

That's not entirely true. Martin Smiths alleged sighting of Gerry is evidence.

Nonsence, that wasn't a sighting.  Gerry was carrying his son as any caring parent would carry their sleeping child down aircraft steps

No evidence there .... Soz, WS

You are desperate aen't you?   I wonder why?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Smith was not sure it was Gerry he saw.  The end.