Could Sheila Caffell have defeated Nevill Bamber?

[Holly Goodhead]

Other experts may have different opinions.

But to date they haven't given any so its your opinion that other experts may have different opinions.

[APRIL]

But to date they haven't given any so its your opinion that other experts may have different opinions.

Or maybe they haven't been asked. I'm certain you can understand why I find it difficult to accept that the opinions of two experts -in different disciplines- can't be accepted as being definitive.

I can see that you rely strongly on facts, ie Jeremy's psychopathy.............or not. You can comfortably assert that he isn't because CERTAIN psychiatrist(s) have said he isn't. You refuse to countenance that, because it isn't in black and white, others, just as qualified, are equally certain that he is. At the end of the day, it all comes down to personal opinion.

[Caroline]

That's your opinion and its certainly not shared by experts eg forensic scientist Martyn Ismail and blood stain analyst Prof Macdonnell.

OK, then post the proof where either of them state that the police moved Sheila's head?

[Holly Goodhead]

OK, then post the proof where either of them state that the police moved Sheila's head?

No one is claiming the police moved SC's head since non police were in attendance too.

[Caroline]

No one is claiming the police moved SC's head since non police were in attendance too.

Post where they stated that someone moved her head after discovery - you know what I mean Holly, but you also know none exists.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

If you disagree with a post it is sufficient to say you disagree and why.  Please desist with all the rest eg 'You can spout this nonsense until you're blue in face...'

I am not wrong about wet suits at all.  They are porous allowing water to penetrate trapping a thin layer which the body heats to help keep the wearer to stay warm. When immersed in water the wearer is always wet hence the name wet suit!

http://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/wetsuit/

I disagree, Holly

Here’s why...

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[ISpyWithMyEye]

No one is obliged to answer your questions.  I don't believe a silencer was used in the murders/suicide.

Jeremy Bamber believed a silencer was used!

He said that he had a document written by DCI Taff Jones in which he said he’d found the silencer under the bed when he went to the SOC and saw Sheila dead on the floor.  According to Jeremy, Taff Jones wrote in this statement that he caught sight of the silencer under the bed and decided to remove it 😳

Jeremy said that DCI Jones then went down to the gun cupboard (not sure how he knew where it was...but hey, he was one clever detective!) and then he tucked it away in the gun cupboard to keep it “safe”.

Taff Jones didn’t leave the silencer in situ to be photographed, nor did he put it in forensic wrapping, he simply picked it up from under the bed, strolled downstairs, spotted the gun cupboard, and placed it deep inside for safe keeping.

Strangely....this written document of Taff Jones that Jeremy claimed to have “discovered” — years after DCI Jones death — was never submitted by Jeremy...can’t think why!

[Caroline]

Jeremy Bamber believed a silencer was used!

He said that he had a document written by DCI Taff Jones in which he said he’d found the silencer under the bed when he went to the SOC and saw Sheila dead on the floor.  According to Jeremy, Taff Jones wrote in this statement that he caught sight of the silencer under the bed and decided to remove it 😳

Jeremy said that DCI Jones then went down to the gun cupboard (not sure how he knew where it was...but hey, he was one clever detective!) and then he tucked it away in the gun cupboard to keep it “safe”.

Taff Jones didn’t leave the silencer in situ to be photographed, nor did he put it in forensic wrapping, he simply picked it up from under the bed, strolled downstairs, spotted the gun cupboard, and placed it deep inside for safe keeping.

Strangely....this written document of Taff Jones that Jeremy claimed to have “discovered” — years after DCI Jones death — was never submitted by Jeremy...can’t think why!

Hi Eye,

Can you say where this is from?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Hi Eye,

Can you say where this is from?

Yes, it’s in CAL’s book....

I will find the page for you now

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I have tried posting images from the book, but must be doing something wrong as it won’t accept them

It’s Chapter 45 or 46 , first page

[Vertigo Swirl]

No one is obliged to answer your questions.  I don't believe a silencer was used in the murders/suicide.

Why did the jury believe it and why has its use never been disproved?  It’s the single most compelling piece of evidence and there have been one trial and (two?) appeals that have all failed to prove that silencer could not have been used in the killings.

[Caroline]

Yes, it’s in CAL’s book....

I will find the page for you now

Thanks, never heard that before but it's typical of the way Bamber makes things up!

"Post-trial controversy about its provenance began in April 1987, when the press office of Essex Police took a call from a Sunday Express reporter. He wanted to know if they would comment on Jeremy’s claim that a statement dated 7 August 1985 from DCI Jones revealed that he had found the silencer that day under the bed and placed it in the gun cupboard for safety. Former senior investigating officer Mike Ainsley derided the claim as ‘total nonsense’ in a letter to the Crown Prosecution Service, adding that if such a document ever appeared, it would be forged.1 He had also spoken to Jeremy’s solicitor Paul Terzeon who hadn’t seen the statement but was assured by his client that he had posted it to his office. It didn’t arrive, but Jeremy’s defence team admitted they were ‘always suspicious of the circumstances in which the moderator came to be found’, although they assured their client that the evidence, as it was known, had been investigated thoroughly.2 They warned him that even if that was shown to be untrue, ‘it would have to be of such a falsehood that it went to the core of that which the prosecution was trying to prove’.

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 394). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Thanks, never heard that before but it's typical of the way Bamber makes things up!

"Post-trial controversy about its provenance began in April 1987, when the press office of Essex Police took a call from a Sunday Express reporter. He wanted to know if they would comment on Jeremy’s claim that a statement dated 7 August 1985 from DCI Jones revealed that he had found the silencer that day under the bed and placed it in the gun cupboard for safety. Former senior investigating officer Mike Ainsley derided the claim as ‘total nonsense’ in a letter to the Crown Prosecution Service, adding that if such a document ever appeared, it would be forged.1 He had also spoken to Jeremy’s solicitor Paul Terzeon who hadn’t seen the statement but was assured by his client that he had posted it to his office. It didn’t arrive, but Jeremy’s defence team admitted they were ‘always suspicious of the circumstances in which the moderator came to be found’, although they assured their client that the evidence, as it was known, had been investigated thoroughly.2 They warned him that even if that was shown to be untrue, ‘it would have to be of such a falsehood that it went to the core of that which the prosecution was trying to prove’.

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 394). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

That’s it, Caroline.

Jeremy is so adapt at tying himself up in knots — he excels at that 

I wonder what his supporters make of this?

Perhaps they’d like to comment on this alleged statement that Jeremy Bamber claims DCI Jones wrote?

[Caroline]

That’s it, Caroline.

Jeremy is so adapt at tying himself up in knots — he excels at that 

I wonder what his supporters make of this?

Perhaps they’d like to comment on this alleged statement that Jeremy Bamber claims DCI Jones wrote?

This is similar to the claim that there is a suicide note - it's all bollox!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

This is similar to the claim that there is a suicide note - it's all bollox!

That was nuts too

The note inside June’s Bible was written by June!

I suppose Jeremy’s deluded supporters will say Sheila forced June to write it before she shot her 🙄

The more nonsense that comes out the more I realise how odd some people are...