Could Sheila Caffell have defeated Nevill Bamber?

[G-Unit]

The general consensus seems to be that Sheila Caffell couldn't have defeated her father in the kitchen. Nevill wasn't, however, fully fit. He had been shot in his lip, chin, spine, jaw, shoulder and upper arm. He was a one-armed man bleeding, shocked and in terrible pain.

[Holly Goodhead]

Yes of course she could for all the reasons you've stated.  Moreover, Dr V said he was not surprised that a woman of SC's build, in possession of a loaded firearm and possibly in a "deranged" state of mind could cause the injuries present.

Another notable case where a slim women attacked, overpowered and murdered a powerfully built male is that of Tracie Andrews and Lee Harvey.  And this case involved a far less lethal weapon ie a knife as opposed to a rifle.

[Holly Goodhead]

Dr V was not surprised:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=742

[Caroline]

Yes of course she could for all the reasons you've stated.  Moreover, Dr V said he was not surprised that a woman of SC's build, in possession of a loaded firearm and possibly in a "deranged" state of mind could cause the injuries present.

Another notable case where a slim women attacked, overpowered and murdered a powerfully built male is that of Tracie Andrews and Lee Harvey.  And this case involved a far less lethal weapon ie a knife as opposed to a rifle.

She was able to overpower him because he didn't know she had a knife which is far easier to conceal than a rifle, She also showed signs of a struggle - Sheila didn't.

[adam]

A fully fit Nevill would have instantly negated Sheila. It is a natural reaction of a father, husband, grandfather & head of the family. He also had an early start in the morning.

Doing anything else would not enter his head. Espescially ringing Bamber.

He would know it was a rifle for shooting rabbits and Sheila had no experienve with it. 

An injured Nevill would have just used his massive height and weight advantage to fall onto Sheila. Rather than wrestle for a rifle and let himself get batterred with it.

[mrswah]

A fully fit Nevill would have instantly negated Sheila. It is a natural reaction of a father, husband, grandfather & head of the family. He also had an early start in the morning.

Doing anything else would not enter his head. Espescially ringing Bamber.

He would know it was a rifle for shooting rabbits and Sheila had no experienve with it. 

An injured Nevill would have just used his massive height and weight advantage to fall onto Sheila. Rather than wrestle for a rifle and let himself get batterred with it.

Surely, that depends on how injured he was at that point, and how much pain he was in?

[G-Unit]

A fully fit Nevill would have instantly negated Sheila. It is a natural reaction of a father, husband, grandfather & head of the family. He also had an early start in the morning.

Doing anything else would not enter his head. Espescially ringing Bamber.

He would know it was a rifle for shooting rabbits and Sheila had no experienve with it. 

An injured Nevill would have just used his massive height and weight advantage to fall onto Sheila. Rather than wrestle for a rifle and let himself get batterred with it.

He had an early start in the morning? I presume you're making a rather tasteless joke?

[Caroline]

Local story of a gruesome psychotic attack by a female on her mother - note that she hadn't taken her medication for 'weeks' prior to the attack. Must warn that this is a pretty gruesome case!

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/odessa-carey-murder-trial-live-17862049

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The general consensus seems to be that Sheila Caffell couldn't have defeated her father in the kitchen. Nevill wasn't, however, fully fit. He had been shot in his lip, chin, spine, jaw, shoulder and upper arm. He was a one-armed man bleeding, shocked and in terrible pain.

Nevill would have swiftly overpowered her upstairs though — had it been Sheila

Except it wasn’t , was it?  It was Jeremy Bamber

What’s more, despite Nevill being 6”4”, in excellent health, extremely fit, and strong...and despite him being shot in the jaw, mouth and upper arm...he was STILL able to put a tremendous fight in the kitchen which proves just how strong he was

And with all that adrenaline surging through him, as he fought for his life he’d have felt almost no pain — that’s a medical fact. Soldiers in war have often continued fighting after being shot totally unaware they've even been injured!

Nevill literally fought to the death, and it’s ludicrous to suggest he couldn’t have overpowered Sheila

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Yes of course she could for all the reasons you've stated.  Moreover, Dr V said he was not surprised that a woman of SC's build, in possession of a loaded firearm and possibly in a "deranged" state of mind could cause the injuries present.

Another notable case where a slim women attacked, overpowered and murdered a powerfully built male is that of Tracie Andrews and Lee Harvey.  And this case involved a far less lethal weapon ie a knife as opposed to a rifle.

Tracy Andrews was sat right next to Lee Harvey in the car when she suddenly stabbed that knife into him — he was taken by surprise and trapped for goodness sake

You can’t even compare the two cases

[ISpyWithMyEye]

He had an early start in the morning? I presume you're making a rather tasteless joke?

No, Adam obviously wasn’t making a tasteless joke.

[G-Unit]

No, Adam obviously wasn’t making a tasteless joke — that’s how YOUR head works, G-Unit

I didn't want to believe he was actually suggesting that Nevill would have been thinking about his early start the following morning, but if you think that's a serious possibilty so be it.

You come across to me as someone who can't interact with others who hold different opinions without resorting to insults. I thought that was against the rules, I must check. Ah yes have you read them?

Please treat all members with respect, avoid speculation and ensure that any material posted is accompanied by the relevant links.

Please avoid conflict and do not enter into prolonged arguments over matters which are speculative or cannot be corroborated at this time.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4.msg4#msg4

[Admin]

The general consensus seems to be that Sheila Caffell couldn't have defeated her father in the kitchen. Nevill wasn't, however, fully fit. He had been shot in his lip, chin, spine, jaw, shoulder and upper arm. He was a one-armed man bleeding, shocked and in terrible pain.

That question is purely academic since Nevill was initially shot in the bedroom and he hadn't been injured at that point.  If Sheila had appeared at the bedroom door with a rifle she would have been disarmed instantly.

[G-Unit]

That question is purely academic since Nevill was initially shot in the bedroom and he hadn't been injured at that point.  If Sheila had appeared at the bedroom door with a rifle she would have been disarmed instantly.

So Nevill would have disarmed Sheila instantly but made no attempt to disarm Jeremy?

[APRIL]

So Nevill would have disarmed Sheila instantly but made no attempt to disarm Jeremy?

How do we know he didn't?