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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #120 on: May 06, 2020, 01:25:23 PM »
Perhaps, as you suggest Nevill deposited a small amount of blood while he was cleaning the moderator and Junes was then added to that when she was shot. Putting aside the issue of NBs blood being older and degrading in quality, this is still a fanciful explanation but it may have caused some doubt about the results in the minds of the jury had the blood been the only evidence.

I don't see how the defence could have explained accidental paint contamination and fresh scratch marks though, what the defence could only have been suggesting to the jury is a deliberate frame meaning that an individual or several people were attempting to pervert the course of justice, an offence so serious it carries a maximum sentence of life. This would seem to apply to scientists who you are accusing of fudging their results, what motivation would they have for this and how could they know that the defence wouldn't be able to replicate their tests and expose their shoddy work?

Sometimes when the prosecution has a strong piece of evidence, the defence will prefer not to put too much weight on it and hope the jury don't either. I think the defence had little option but to take the bone thrown to them by the prosecution or risk looking desperate and give Arlidge extra ammunition for his closing speech.

PS: I'm not a scientist but the other blood stains were on porous materials, could dyes and bleaches in the fabric be responsible for them not yielding the same results? I've no idea.

I think theories re innocent contamination are unlikely eg:

1. Anyone who handled the silencer from manufacturing up until 6th Aug accidentally depositing blood inside.

I think theories re deliberate contamination are unlikely eg:

2.  Relatives using SC's menstrual stained underwear as a source of blood

3.  RWB dobbing his blood inside.  How would he know he shared SC's blood groups: enzymes and proteins?

4.  Police deliberately contaminating from 1 of 3 vials containing SC's blood passed to the police from Dr V/pm and stored in soc fridge at Chelmsford HQ.

I think the theory put forward by the defence is unlikely:

5.  None of NB's gsw's were considered contact and only 1 sustained by June was considered a possible contact but it was thought "unlikely".  Given the. 22 rifle, low velocity ammo and silencer make back spatter unlikely this would seem to rule out the 'intimate mix' theory which also required SC to detach the silencer and return to the cupboard before taking her own life.

IMO I think the lab colluded with the police to fabricate the blood/silencer evidence as its the explanation that stacks up. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #121 on: May 06, 2020, 02:08:12 PM »
I think theories re innocent contamination are unlikely eg:

1. Anyone who handled the silencer from manufacturing up until 6th Aug accidentally depositing blood inside.

I think theories re deliberate contamination are unlikely eg:

2.  Relatives using SC's menstrual stained underwear as a source of blood

3.  RWB dobbing his blood inside.  How would he know he shared SC's blood groups: enzymes and proteins?

4.  Police deliberately contaminating from 1 of 3 vials containing SC's blood passed to the police from Dr V/pm and stored in soc fridge at Chelmsford HQ.

I think the theory put forward by the defence is unlikely:

5.  None of NB's gsw's were considered contact and only 1 sustained by June was considered a possible contact but it was thought "unlikely".  Given the. 22 rifle, low velocity ammo and silencer make back spatter unlikely this would seem to rule out the 'intimate mix' theory which also required SC to detach the silencer and return to the cupboard before taking her own life.

IMO I think the lab colluded with the police to fabricate the blood/silencer evidence as its the explanation that stacks up.

I certainly don't, that's far too many people to keep the faith.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #122 on: May 06, 2020, 02:11:09 PM »
I certainly don't, that's far too many people to keep the faith.

Neither do I
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Offline Common sense

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #123 on: May 06, 2020, 02:13:55 PM »
I certainly don't, that's far too many people to keep the faith.

I think this is entering CT territory.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #124 on: May 06, 2020, 02:30:40 PM »
I certainly don't, that's far too many people to keep the faith.

How many?

You don't believe the blood/silencer evidence so what's your theory? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #125 on: May 06, 2020, 02:32:36 PM »
I think this is entering CT territory.

The blood/silencer evidence doesn't stand up to scrutiny based on the prosecution theory.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #126 on: May 06, 2020, 02:35:48 PM »
The blood/silencer evidence doesn't stand up to scrutiny based on the prosecution theory.

Have you ever considered prosecution theories may evolve over time as more evidence emerges ?

Suspect this may be a reason why the Criminal Cases Review Commission hold on to their case reviews for years on end

Interestingly it’s been 7 years apparently in the Ben Geen case
« Last Edit: May 06, 2020, 02:38:12 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #127 on: May 06, 2020, 02:41:38 PM »
I think this is entering CT territory.

 8((()*/
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Offline The General

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #128 on: May 06, 2020, 03:11:42 PM »
The blood/silencer evidence doesn't stand up to scrutiny based on the prosecution theory.
The silencer should have been discredited immediately due to the total lack of chain of custody.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #129 on: May 06, 2020, 06:18:44 PM »
Actually, thinking about it, maybe they decided a test for GSR would be useless as she had been shot and was found with the rifle on her nightdress, her hand resting on it? It would be expected to be there.

I believe that as well as the tests for lead, her nightdress was inspected visually and chemically for residues of the wax coating from the shells and none were found but were present on the garment used for test firings.


That’s interesting, CS

Residues of the wax coating from the shells were found on the garment used for test firings — but none whatsoever on Sheila’s nightdress or body?!😳

How does one explain THAT away?😌
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #130 on: May 06, 2020, 06:27:10 PM »
Why are you attempting to send me on a fool’s errand?  A list of UK forensic service providers now, together with the services they provide is likely to be quite different to a list of same fro. 35 years ago, so it’s a pointless ask.  You appear to be besmirching the integrity of those who presented their test evidence in court, is that your intention?

Holly posts all those tediously long links, none of which prove Jeremy Bamber didn’t murder his family

She does it because, unlike her, we don’t have time or motivation to pore through details that are no longer relevant

These were all done and dusted in 1985, 1986, 199?, 2002, plus a few other times...by senior judges at the High Court, EXPERT forensic/ballistic teams, and all were slung out as they simply proved Jeremy was the murderer.

She seems to forget this isn’t a court room; it’s a forum...
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #131 on: May 06, 2020, 06:38:18 PM »
I think I recall finding something about live pigs used but live or dead how could this replicate an individuals physiology especially in this case when 2 gsw's are involved?  It is claimed the blood originated from the second upper fatal contact wound which may well mean the first lower non-fatal contact wound affected the physiology of the second.


The pigs were dead when they tried to replicate the three burn marks Nevill had on his back.

I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think they shot live pigs to see how blood spatter sprays — they already knew that from previous shootings

Besides, dead pigs have no circulation, so there wouldn’t be any blood spatter depending on where they shot the pig, and even then, it wouldn’t replicate the same pattern as blood splattering from a living animal.
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Offline Caroline

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #132 on: May 06, 2020, 06:57:59 PM »
How many?

You don't believe the blood/silencer evidence so what's your theory?

I don't believe it was a mass conspiracy but I'm not prepared to say what I believe on this; 1. it's just a theory and 2. I don't really want to point fingers at people living or dead.

Offline Common sense

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #133 on: May 06, 2020, 07:18:10 PM »
The silencer should have been discredited immediately due to the total lack of chain of custody.

Where was the chain of custody supposedly broken? It could only be after Stan Jones took possession. There is nothing that prevents a member of the public ( or the family ) finding or handing in a piece of evidence.

Offline Caroline

Re: Re-evaluation of the blood and silencer evidence
« Reply #134 on: May 06, 2020, 07:28:47 PM »
Where was the chain of custody supposedly broken? It could only be after Stan Jones took possession. There is nothing that prevents a member of the public ( or the family ) finding or handing in a piece of evidence.

No, but it should have been left where it was and the police called to collect from WHF.