What are the implications of ‘coercive control’ in the Bamber case?

[Caroline]

I am going on what June's sister said. Her description of their parenting was very different to the description of theirs given by the Bamber children.

What description has been given by the Bamber 'children'?

[APRIL]

I am going on what June's sister said. Her description of their parenting was very different to the description of theirs given by the Bamber children.

I can fully understand that, but Pam was just a 'looker on'. She wasn't on the receiving end.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

So what are the implications of ‘coercive control’ in the Bamber case?

How does it impact on his campaign ?

Where and how did his campaign start and who, other than JM, has Bamber coercively controlled?

He’s controlling his CT who appear to have a form of Stockholm Syndrome

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Was it Trudi Benjamin’s idea to read a letter allegedly from Bamber at the graveside of 2 of his victims, record it and post it online - where it remains - or was coercive control behind it?

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsUyH-5t3S4

Oh, he obviously told her to do that, and she’d do anything he says. She’s on another planet.

He’s so stupid, because the whole load of rubbish he wrote was all about HIM, littered with lies about how happy they all were, how he loved them so much, how Sheila was mentally ill....it was written for strangers — not to his parents.

He’s not even good at manipulating as he’s so transparent.

[Nicholas]

Jeremy Bamber was not involved in the making of White House Farm and he has branded it a disgrace. But in the series, which is "based on extensive research, interviews and published accounts", what we get is a portrait of coercive comtrol [/i]

Evening Times Article - Tuesday 28 October 1986




To read full article click here

‘At the committal proceedings last October council said he exerted a ‘powerful influence’ over his former girlfriend’

[Nicholas]

What are the implications of ‘coercive control’ in the Bamber case?

Mark Newby recently retweeted on the Sally Challen case

Sally Challen was convicted of murdering her husband David

“During the two-day appeal hearing in February, the court heard evidence relating to Mrs Challen's state of mind at the time of the killing and the issue of "coercive control".
Coercive control describes a pattern of behaviour by an abuser to harm, punish or frighten their victim and became a criminal offence in England and Wales in December 2015.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-47845450

JM apparently ‘stabbed at Bamber’s Teddy’ - not sure what with but would be interested to know if it was the same one he gave to SF ?

[Nicholas]

JM apparently ‘stabbed at Bamber’s Teddy’ - not sure what with but would be interested to know if it was the same one he gave to SF ?

According to SF Bamber falsely claimed SC had ‘punched’ one of the twins - why didn’t SF report this at the time and why hasn’t she spoken out since?

Suspect it’s because she came to recognise Bamber had lied to her and had indeed murdered his family

[Brietta]

I would say coersive control was definitely used by June Bamber to get her daughter to do as she wanted. She attempted it with her son, but he was less affected.

My mother would probably have provided me with a private education if she had believed in that sort of thing and if she had been able to afford to.

My mother might have opted for using private medicine for me had I needed it if she hadn't been so pig headed about the NHS.

If she had been able to she would certainly have bought a home for me in from what I can gather was a good area in London.  She loved London and being able to lodge with me for some of her jaunts would have been great for us both.

‘coercive control’  I don't know ... I only remember her doing everything in her power for me ... I rather get the impression that June Bamber did that for her daughter too.

[Nicholas]

He’s controlling his CT who appear to have a form of Stockholm Syndrome

Oh, he obviously told her to do that, and she’d do anything he says. She’s on another planet.

He’s so stupid, because the whole load of rubbish he wrote was all about HIM, littered with lies about how happy they all were, how he loved them so much, how Sheila was mentally ill....it was written for strangers — not to his parents.

He’s not even good at manipulating as he’s so transparent.

But JB Campaign ltd appear to be knowingly promoting lies and falsehoods and defaming many victims of Bamber’s in the process ?

And they’ve clearly singled out and targeted JM in particular

Trudi Benjamin has a law degree and she has access to other legally minded individuals

Her and her husband Pat Benjamin are directors of JB Campaign ltd with Thomas Walker recently having been added as another director https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09883616/officers

“In December 2015 I was very pleased to announce the launch of The JB Campaign Limited, which is a ‘Not For Profit’ Private Limited Company. Having thought long and hard about the campaign to keep Jeremy’s case in the public domain and the issues that need resolving to get traction on an Appeal, the only conclusion was that we needed to be able to raise money. Supporters often ask how they can make donations but in order to do this effectively and legitimately the decision was made by the campaign team to set up The Jeremy Bamber Campaign as a legal entity. Our aim is to raise funds towards any legal or forensic costs not currently covered Pro Bono. There is an opportunity for people to give cash using a donate button on the website, we will be offering opportunities for appropriate advertising, along with a range of merchandise. Other exciting projects are in the planning process and will be announced in due course.

I am very proud, alongside my husband Pat Benjamin, to be a Director of the organisation, and we are delighted to be working with the Campaign Management Team to maintain a high standard of business and accounting practices. In accordance, with requirements by Companies House, all monies will be accounted for and annual accounts will be filed. The Directors and Management Team give their time and expertise for free.
The decision to generate revenue in this way was taken partly because of the denigration of legal aid and the funding crisis for prisoners such as Jeremy but also because of the outrage we feel at the continued wrongful conviction and 31-year loss of liberty of an innocent man. Our hope is that campaigners and supporters, who feel as we do, will give generously to help Jeremy gain the freedom he so richly deserves.
Please look at the “Management Team” to find out more about who we are and the 'Operations' page to find out how we work.
Thank you.
Trudi Benjamin
Managing Director/Spokesperson

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/jb-campaign-ltd-and-directors

Wonder if JB Campaign ltd have bothered to ever seek legal advise of their own ?

[G-Unit]

My mother would probably have provided me with a private education if she had believed in that sort of thing and if she had been able to afford to.

My mother might have opted for using private medicine for me had I needed it if she hadn't been so pig headed about the NHS.

If she had been able to she would certainly have bought a home for me in from what I can gather was a good area in London.  She loved London and being able to lodge with me for some of her jaunts would have been great for us both.

‘coercive control’  I don't know ... I only remember her doing everything in her power for me ... I rather get the impression that June Bamber did that for her daughter too.

It's not about what parents provide, it's why. When Jeremy Bamber was involved with an older woman with children his parents threatened to disinherit him if he didn't end the relationship. When June Bamber offered to buy July Mugford a flat in London or Colchester it was because she didn't want people to think she condoned Julie staying with Jeremy in Goldhanger. She called her a harlot.

[APRIL]

My mother would probably have provided me with a private education if she had believed in that sort of thing and if she had been able to afford to.

My mother might have opted for using private medicine for me had I needed it if she hadn't been so pig headed about the NHS.

If she had been able to she would certainly have bought a home for me in from what I can gather was a good area in London.  She loved London and being able to lodge with me for some of her jaunts would have been great for us both.

‘coercive control’  I don't know ... I only remember her doing everything in her power for me ... I rather get the impression that June Bamber did that for her daughter too.

I think it was probably along the lines of June promising whatever if Sheila complied with whatever, OR June withholding whatever if Sheila insisted on doing whatever. It's quite possible that June had some guilt feelings related to this, an example being Sheila's wedding, NOT in their local church where June and Nevill worshipped regularly, because June was ashamed of Sheila's pregnancy, but in Chelmsford Register office, with a handful of guests and a meal at Marks Tey Motel, however, June did provide the happy couple with a London residence when she could just as easily insisted on housing them locally.

[Brietta]

It's not about what parents provide, it's why. When Jeremy Bamber was involved with an older woman with children his parents threatened to disinherit him if he didn't end the relationship. When June Bamber offered to buy July Mugford a flat in London or Colchester it was because she didn't want people to think she condoned Julie staying with Jeremy in Goldhanger. She called her a harlot.

Do you know what ... if my young son had been knocking about with an older woman with children, I would have been as dismayed as you accuse June and Nevill of being.  I would have used any "coercive control" I had to intervene.

I think however you have highlighted causes for resentment Bamber might have nurtured for his parents regarding their power and his 'inheritance'; as well as their 'interference' in his dealings with women young and old and their obvious disapproval ... and they really didn't know the half of what he was getting up to, did they.

[APRIL]

Do you know what ... if my young son had been knocking about with an older woman with children, I would have been as dismayed as you accuse June and Nevill of being.  I would have used any "coercive control" I had to intervene.

I think however you have highlighted causes for resentment Bamber might have nurtured for his parents regarding their power and his 'inheritance'; as well as their 'interference' in his dealings with women young and old and their obvious disapproval ... and they really didn't know the half of what he was getting up to, did they.

I'm not sure that any parent does! When I could be totally certain they wouldn't find out, they'd have been apoplectic had they known!!, I deliberately indulged in activities of which I knew they'd disapprove. With hindsight, it was my way of asserting so sort of independence and control for myself. Jeremy may have deliberately chosen women of whom the Bambers would disapprove, adding fuel to his resentment of them.

[Caroline]

I'm not sure that any parent does! When I could be totally certain they wouldn't find out, they'd have been apoplectic had they known!!, I deliberately indulged in activities of which I knew they'd disapprove. With hindsight, it was my way of asserting so sort of independence and control for myself. Jeremy may have deliberately chosen women of whom the Bambers would disapprove, adding fuel to his resentment of them.

There wasn't anyone my dad would have been happy seeing me with but at around Jeremy's age, he would have locked me away had I brought home and much older divorcee.

[APRIL]

There wasn't anyone my dad would have been happy seeing me with but at around Jeremy's age, he would have locked me away had I brought home and much older divorcee.

The trick was not to take them home, Caroline