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Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #90 on: May 02, 2020, 09:31:00 AM »
As for TB et al, that is the million dollar question. Does she really believe NB made two phone calls for example or is it simply part of an attempt to present a false impression of an impressive case for the benefit of those not paying attention?   Her own emotional investment and objectivity aside, she can hardly admit she has been peddling rubbish and the campaign has nothing, so whether she is in denial or not, there is some amount of deliberate fraud IMO.

I am a great believer that like attracts like and the CT is moulded in JBs image, so their dishonesty is his dishonesty which should no more be ignored than the fact he has changed the time of his calling the police from just after 3.10 to 3.36.

Bamber’s ‘dark tetrad’ personality traits shouldn’t be ignored either

four traits: narcissism, best thought of, again, as the drive to feel special; psychopathy, a pattern of remorseless lies and manipulation; Machiavellianism, a cold, chess-playing approach to life and love; and finally, sadism, a troubling tendency to delight in the suffering of others.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #91 on: May 02, 2020, 09:42:58 AM »
As for TB et al, that is the million dollar question. Does she really believe NB made two phone calls for example or is it simply part of an attempt to present a false impression of an impressive case for the benefit of those not paying attention?   Her own emotional investment and objectivity aside, she can hardly admit she has been peddling rubbish and the campaign has nothing, so whether she is in denial or not, there is some amount of deliberate fraud IMO.

I am a great believer that like attracts like and the CT is moulded in JBs image, so their dishonesty is his dishonesty which should no more be ignored than the fact he has changed the time of his calling the police from just after 3.10 to 3.36.

Why haven’t Trudi Benjamin and the CT put right their obvious errors on Bamber’s website?

Why purposely foment propaganda ?

How have they been able to morally disengage ?

Aren’t they concerned about the consequences of their actions ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #92 on: May 02, 2020, 09:54:05 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/30/jeremy-bamber-lawyers-seek-review-of-cps-refusal-to-disclose-evidence

Mark Newby a solicitor advocate at Quality Solicitors Jordans, which represents Bamber, said: “Since proceedings were issued it came to our attention that the author of the book the ITV drama was based upon appears to have received material directly from the police.

“It cannot be right that an author has been given material that Mr Bamber’s defence team have not seen, particularly in light of the persistent refusal by the CPS to disclose specific material we have been asking for. It raises the question of whether a work of fiction is more important than justice.”

Bamber, speaking from Wakefield prison, told the Guardian: “It is disgusting that a third party was provided with documents and sensitive photographs when Essex police and the CPS have been unwilling to hand over material to our own forensic experts to prove that two silencers were recovered from the scene.

“Despite court orders being in place for them to make full disclosure to us, which they deliberately chose to ignore, when Carol Ann Lee requested material she was given it without a second thought. Where is my justice?”

A spokesperson for Essex police said: “We are aware of the claim made by Jeremy Bamber and can confirm that this matter forms part of an ongoing judicial review. As this matter is therefore the subject of a forthcoming legal hearing it would not be appropriate for us to comment further.”


Simon Hattenstone who wrote the above article has recently stated,

”Jeremy Bamber's court hearing for disclosure of vital docs has been adjourned till May 29. Attached are some of the docs that were passed by Essex police officers to Carol Ann Lee, the author who contributed to the recent TV drama, but not disclosed to Bamber.”

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“I'm not saying that these files will prove his innocence but that they shoud be disclosed so he has the opportunity to prove his innocence or show his conviction is unsafe”
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Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2020, 12:53:39 PM »
I can't comment on the Park case as I'm not up to speed but as far as the CCRC directly commenting on innocence fraud goes, I think that would be against their remit.

The scale of the innocence fraud they deal with can only be imagined by the large volume of cases they reject but the proof of that IF remains confidential. I suspect the CCRC would dearly love to answer their critics by publishing their statements of reasons.


What makes you sure the CCRC are familiar with innocence fraud? If they were or are - what’s the 10 year long review into the murder conviction of Gordon Park all about ?

Appreciate you saying you can’t comment on the Park case but ‘the large volume of cases they reject’ to which you refer may be grounded in some other type of deception or maybe deception isn’t involved at all - maybe it’s a misunderstanding on behalf of the applicant..

The CCRC have never been transparent re the varying reasons why they knock back applicants

This is an excerpt from their website:

“However we may decide that your case cannot be reviewed. That might happen because we think that your application does not raise any significant new points that might allow us to send your case for an appeal.  If we think this is the case with your application, we will write to you to explain why and ask you to tell us about anything which you think might change our minds. We will give at least 28 days for you to get back to us and we will not make a final decision in your case until we have carefully considered what you had to say.

If your case goes to a Case Review Manager for a more detailed review, the decision about whether or not your case can be referred will be taken at the end of the investigation stage.

If the Case Review Manager believes that there is no prospect of the case being referred for appeal, they will ask a Commissioner to look at the case. The Commissioner can either make the decision not to refer, or if they consider it appropriate, they can direct that the case be referred to a decision making committee.

If the Case Review Manager believes that the case should be referred, or thinks that for other reasons that a decision making committee is needed, the decision will be made by a committee of at least three Commissioners.

In either case, if the decision of a single Commissioner, or a committee of three Commissioners, is that a case cannot be referred, we will if appropriate issue a provisional decision not to refer the case. This provisional decision will be explained in a Provisional Statement of Reasons and the applicant will be given a period of time in which to respond. A final decision will not be made until any response has been carefully considered.

In some cases where the Commission’s decision is not to refer, and where no purpose would be served by issuing a provisional decision to the applicant, we will send the applicant a final decision document explaining why it has not been possible to refer their case.

If a committee of Commissioners decides that there are grounds on which the case can be referred a final Statement of Reasons will be issued, explaining our reasons for this, and the case is sent to the Court of Appeal for a new appeal to be heard.

https://ccrc.gov.uk/making-application/how-it-works/
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Offline Common sense

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2020, 01:02:29 PM »
What makes you sure the CCRC are familiar with innocence fraud? If they were or are - what’s the 10 year long review into the murder conviction of Gordon Park all about ?

Because they refer very few cases out of the total number of applications.  I would imagine that many of them are reviewed and dismissed quickly and probably have the commissioners rolling their eyes at what some chancers will try, but we shall never know the details.

You make a number of very good points above, I shall answer them later

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #95 on: May 02, 2020, 01:08:13 PM »
Because they refer very few cases out of the total number of applications.  I would imagine that many of them are reviewed and dismissed quickly

The CCRC’s referral figures have dropped in the past 5/6 years or so - suspect the number of applicants may have also dropped?

Probably best to provide the actual figures - if you have them? - re total number of applications received to total number of cases referred per year

Last year Professor Carolyn Hoyle stated, re the Criminal Cases Review Commission,]
https://ox.cloud.panopto.eu/Panopto/Pages/Embed.aspx?id=69d464e5-e28a-4400-b964-a9dd01201ea0


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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #96 on: May 02, 2020, 10:43:17 PM »
Simon Hattenstone who wrote the above article has recently stated,

”Jeremy Bamber's court hearing for disclosure of vital docs has been adjourned till May 29. Attached are some of the docs that were passed by Essex police officers to Carol Ann Lee, the author who contributed to the recent TV drama, but not disclosed to Bamber.”

&

“I'm not saying that these files will prove his innocence but that they shoud be disclosed so he has the opportunity to prove his innocence or show his conviction is unsafe”




I discovered today by chance after speaking to a friend, that ALL unimportant court cases that were pending or arranged for a hearing prior to lockdown were all put back to May 29. There’s no guarantee any conference or hearing will take place on that day...it was just a date they hoped the lockdown would ease so as to get the trivial and less important cases rolling and out the way
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #97 on: May 03, 2020, 12:39:31 PM »


I discovered today by chance after speaking to a friend, that ALL unimportant court cases that were pending or arranged for a hearing prior to lockdown were all put back to May 29. There’s no guarantee any conference or hearing will take place on that day...it was just a date they hoped the lockdown would ease so as to get the trivial and less important cases rolling and out the way

 8((()*/

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Offline Caroline

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #98 on: May 03, 2020, 04:01:07 PM »
Simon Hattenstone who wrote the above article has recently stated,

”Jeremy Bamber's court hearing for disclosure of vital docs has been adjourned till May 29. Attached are some of the docs that were passed by Essex police officers to Carol Ann Lee, the author who contributed to the recent TV drama, but not disclosed to Bamber.”

&

“I'm not saying that these files will prove his innocence but that they shoud be disclosed so he has the opportunity to prove his innocence or show his conviction is unsafe”


Clearly they don't show his innocence or CAL would have reported on it in her book - they might even mke things worse for Bamber IF indeed they haven't previously been released. Somehow I doubt that.

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #99 on: May 03, 2020, 04:13:47 PM »
Clearly they don't show his innocence or CAL would have reported on it in her book - they might even mke things worse for Bamber IF indeed they haven't previously been released. Somehow I doubt that.

Simon Hattinstone displays the ‘echo chamber effect’ of his one sided reporting

And appears un-interested in the abuse and harassment CAL was subjected to by Bamber supporters
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Offline Common sense

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #100 on: May 03, 2020, 04:30:00 PM »
Clearly they don't show his innocence or CAL would have reported on it in her book - they might even mke things worse for Bamber IF indeed they haven't previously been released. Somehow I doubt that.

Bamber told CAL that he had over 3 million docs and had nearly all of the 340,000 supposedly withheld under PII.

Convicted murderers are not allowed to simply imagine evidence exists and then demand to see it.  He wants to listen to the recordings because he thinks he's going to hear Sheila's voice on there for example or he's going to hear Nevill calling the police.   He might as well think that assassins beamed in from the starship enterprise, that evidence isn't there to disclose.

Offline Common sense

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #101 on: May 03, 2020, 04:34:40 PM »


I discovered today by chance after speaking to a friend, that ALL unimportant court cases that were pending or arranged for a hearing prior to lockdown were all put back to May 29. There’s no guarantee any conference or hearing will take place on that day...it was just a date they hoped the lockdown would ease so as to get the trivial and less important cases rolling and out the way

I have read somewhere that important cases are being prioritised with covid bound to affect listings, but I believe it was Bambers legals that asked for the adjournment as the crown turned up with a load more evidence that showed he is barking (up the wrong tree) and they weren't prepared

Offline Caroline

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #102 on: May 03, 2020, 04:56:09 PM »
Bamber told CAL that he had over 3 million docs and had nearly all of the 340,000 supposedly withheld under PII.

Convicted murderers are not allowed to simply imagine evidence exists and then demand to see it.  He wants to listen to the recordings because he thinks he's going to hear Sheila's voice on there for example or he's going to hear Nevill calling the police.   He might as well think that assassins beamed in from the starship enterprise, that evidence isn't there to disclose.

He told me that too.

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #103 on: May 03, 2020, 06:24:39 PM »
Aunt Agatha today http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3402.msg479207.html#msg479207

I'm quite livid as I was hoping he'd be home by now

What a waste of time this CT are
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Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #104 on: May 03, 2020, 06:28:09 PM »
This article is by Tom Pyman who reported on Bamber’s BS here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8273361/Jeremy-Bambers-lawyers-demand-CPS-hand-withheld-papers-disclosed-author-ITV-drama.html

”Britain's worst rapist who was jailed for life after sex attacks on 195 men is moved to 'Monster Mansion' HMP Wakefield alongside infamous inmates John Worboys and Jeremy Bamber”

“After he was sent down, lawyers for the Crown Prosecution Service urged Attorney General Geoffrey Cox to look into whether Sinaga's sentence should be upped to a whole-life tariff.

Mr Cox QC then announced he was sending his case to the Court Appeal, where judges could re-sentence him to ensure he is never released.

“Passing sentence, Judge Suzanne Goddard QC said a whole-life order had never been made before in a case other than one involving murder, but despite the 'vast scale' of offending making Sinaga's a borderline case, she would 'shrink back' from passing a whole-life term.

However, she added: 'In my judgment, you are a highly dangerous, cunning and deceitful individual who will never be safe to be released, but that is a matter for the Parole Board.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8277363/Britains-worst-rapist-moved-Monster-Mansion-HMP-Wakefield.html
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