Should Jeremy Bamber be allowed to cause distress to relatives of the deceased?

[Myster]

They go for their renowned seafood platter, not Bamber Burgers... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m34DbC_Lbq0

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I think you have the wrong end of the stick. The pub is almost withing walking distance from me -albeit a fairly long walk- it's had an excellent reputation for food for as long as I can remember. On one particular occasion I asked the waitress if the was still any interest in the case. Her answer was "A bit, but not like it was". Of COURSE there are no longer 'coachloads' of visitors!! although undoubtedly, there had been several at the time interest was high -probably as a detour and part of a longer trip. I find condescending the suggestion that she was humouring me.

It wasn’t meant to be, April — I apologise

I didn’t know it was your local, I wrongly thought you’d made a visit specially

I’m sorry

[mrswah]

If Jeremy hadn't killed his children, he wouldn't have been in that position so yes, he did make him do it.

You have different views on this case than I do, Caroline, so of course we will respond differently! I cannot say , for certain, that Jeremy killed Colin's children.

Colin, apart from having written his book, had kept quiet about the case for years, perhaps because he wanted to shield his new family from it.  It was his choice to help with the making of the TV series, and to give an interview on morning TV. Whatever Jeremy might or might not have done 35 years ago, Colin's recent speaking out was HIS choice, not Jeremy's.

Why he made it, I don't know, and it isn't my business.

[APRIL]

They go for their renowned seafood platter, not Bamber Burgers... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m34DbC_Lbq0

Thanks for that, Myster. I'll be hearing those seven x two, repetitious notes all day long

[Vertigo Swirl]

It wasn’t meant to be, April — I apologise

I didn’t know it was your local, I wrongly thought you’d made a visit specially

I’m sorry

It warms the heart to see posters admit when they’re wrong and have the balls to apologise.

[APRIL]

It wasn’t meant to be, April — I apologise

I didn’t know it was your local, I wrongly thought you’d made a visit specially

I’m sorry

Thank-you, Spy. 'Pology accepted

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Thank-you, Spy. 'Pology accepted

Thank you, too 😊

[Common sense]

If Jeremy is innocent (and I'm not saying he is, but it is what HE is saying),then he is entitled, IMO, to stand up for himself, whoever might be upset by it.

As for Colin (for whom I , personally, have a lot of respect), he did decide, of his own free will, to help in the making of the recent TV series, and to give an interview on TV. Jeremy didn't make him do that.

If he was innocent, he would have no need to resort to peddling lies, twisting facts and conspiracy fantasies but I agree with your wider point about his right to freedom of speech. It's how he uses it that reflects on him badly.

He is the puppet master of the CT and you only have to look at their tactics:  the constant lie that the jury were never told the proper facts about the inheritance and the lie that RBs blood group match with Sheila wasn't known by his legal team with the inference being that the family must have fabricated the silencer because they were greedy - which is proof enough for his followers, despite the fact that JBs admitted greed can never be any kind of proof that JB was the murderer.

Likewise, JMs damning evidence cannot be disproved so she has to be tainted by the NOTW money and her criminality, again proof enough for some.

I could go on but you get the jist.

[Caroline]

You have different views on this case than I do, Caroline, so of course we will respond differently! I cannot say , for certain, that Jeremy killed Colin's children.

Colin, apart from having written his book, had kept quiet about the case for years, perhaps because he wanted to shield his new family from it.  It was his choice to help with the making of the TV series, and to give an interview on morning TV. Whatever Jeremy might or might not have done 35 years ago, Colin's recent speaking out was HIS choice, not Jeremy's.

Why he made it, I don't know, and it isn't my business.

Perhaps he is sick of seeing Bamber have all his say. He must be sick to death of hearing him play victim - if I was him, I'd have been a LOT more verbal and good on him for saying his piece, he has more right than anyone.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You have different views on this case than I do, Caroline, so of course we will respond differently! I cannot say , for certain, that Jeremy killed Colin's children.

Colin, apart from having written his book, had kept quiet about the case for years, perhaps because he wanted to shield his new family from it.  It was his choice to help with the making of the TV series, and to give an interview on morning TV. Whatever Jeremy might or might not have done 35 years ago, Colin's recent speaking out was HIS choice, not Jeremy's.

Why he made it, I don't know, and it isn't my business.

Why shouldn’t have Colin spoken out? He is one of Jeremy Bamber’s victims too. Both his two little boys were shot dead by Bamber at the age of just six; robbed of their lives and future. Colin’s ex-wife and mother of his children, Sheila, was robbed of her life too. He has more right to speak up than the convicted mass murderer, Jeremy Bamber does. And unlike JB, Colin doesn’t lie, nor is he evil.

He never actually said anything nasty about JB when he was on GMTV; he simply told the truth and said that as ITV were doing the documentary anyway, he felt obliged to accept their request for his input so the full truth came out.

As for it being a “choice”, it was more a necessity so the facts were shown.

Colin never asked the producers to screen the vicious, cruel letters Jeremy CHOSE to write to Colin where he sadistically and slyly tormented him about losing his sons. You should read those letters to get a glimpse into the REAL evil sadistic Jeremy Bamber.

[The General]

Why shouldn’t have Colin spoken out? He is one of Jeremy Bamber’s victims too. Both his two little boys were shot dead by Bamber at the age of just six; robbed of their lives and future. Colin’s ex-wife and mother of his children, Sheila, was robbed of her life too. He has more right to speak up than the convicted mass murderer, Jeremy Bamber does. And unlike JB, Colin doesn’t lie, nor is he evil.

He never actually said anything nasty about JB when he was on GMTV; he simply told the truth and said that as ITV were doing the documentary anyway, he felt obliged to accept their request for his input so the full truth came out.

As for it being a “choice”, it was more a necessity so the facts were shown.

Colin never asked the producers to screen the vicious, cruel letters Jeremy CHOSE to write to Colin where he sadistically and slyly tormented him about losing his sons. You should read those letters to get a glimpse into the REAL evil sadistic Jeremy Bamber.

Do you have a link to the letters?

[Nicholas]

Another distressing case here

‘Mother-of-two is shot dead at £610,000 historic farmhouse she shared with her gun-dealer husband while working from home during lockdown as police arrest man, 51, for murder’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8282639/Man-51-arrested-suspicion-murder-woman-40s-shot-dead-inside-Suffolk-house.html

‘Silke Hartshorne-Jones a solicitor leaves behind her 8-year-old twin sons’
https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/04/gun-dealers-wife-shot-dead-17th-century-farmhouse-12649813/amp/#click=https://t.co/pdmyCwkR2I

[Nicholas]

Why shouldn’t have Colin spoken out? He is one of Jeremy Bamber’s victims too. Both his two little boys were shot dead by Bamber at the age of just six; robbed of their lives and future. Colin’s ex-wife and mother of his children, Sheila, was robbed of her life too. He has more right to speak up than the convicted mass murderer, Jeremy Bamber does. And unlike JB, Colin doesn’t lie, nor is he evil.

He never actually said anything nasty about JB when he was on GMTV; he simply told the truth and said that as ITV were doing the documentary anyway, he felt obliged to accept their request for his input so the full truth came out.

As for it being a “choice”, it was more a necessity so the facts were shown.

Colin never asked the producers to screen the vicious, cruel letters Jeremy CHOSE to write to Colin where he sadistically and slyly tormented him about losing his sons. You should read those letters to get a glimpse into the REAL evil sadistic Jeremy Bamber.

What’s your take on Bamber’s sadistic letters to CC Holly?

[Common sense]

Do you have a link to the letters?

They are reproduced in Colins book. The first letter is dated 16 August 1988

"DEAR COLIN

I READ THE ARTICLE IN YESTERDAY'S INDEPENDENT WITH MUCH SADNESS,THE SAME SADNESS I ALWAYS FEEL WHEN I READ ABOUT YOU AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

YOUR LETTER TODAY,COLIN,WAS I'M AFRAID A TOUCH PREMATURE.YOU'RE WRITING TO ME HOPING,I GUESS,FOR THE LAST FEW PIECES OF THE JIGSAW SO THAT YOU MAY HOLD THE PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT POSSIBLE. IF I COULD FURNISH YOU WITH WHAT YOU WANTED THEN I WOULD GLADLY DO SO-WHATEVER HAPPENED THAT FATEFUL NIGHT WILL NEVER BE FULLY EXPLAINED,IN FACT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL ME MORE THAN I COULD YOU.

THE PAPER DID MENTION IN THE ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT I WAS APPEALING AND NO DOUBT YOU KNEW THAT ANYWAY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REACT WHEN THEY QUASH MY CONVICTION ,COLIN,BECAUSE IT'S VERY PROBABLE THEY WILL DO SO? YOU MAY BELIEVE ME GUILTY,YOU MAY NOT,BUT I HOPE THAT IF NOTHING ELSE YOU'LL TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE AT MY APPEAL I WILL PROVE MY INNOCENCE AND BY DOING THAT THE CORNER-STONE OF THE PROSECUTION EVIDENCE WAS FABRICATED,BY WHOM I CAN'T PROVE YET AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO SO FOR MY APPEAL BUT EVENTUALLY I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE ONE OF FIVE PEOPLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING RIDDLES AND I'M SORRY THAT I CAN'T EXPLAIN IN A LETTER TO YOU.IT SEEMS SO POINTLESS IN ME SENDING YOU THIS LETTER AS IT'LL ONLY ADD TO YOUR CONFUSION BUT FOR YOU TO WRITE TO ME MUST HAVE TAKEN A GREAT DEAL SO MY REPLYING IS THE LEAST I CAN DO..

IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SHEILA IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT ME - I'M NOT GAY OR BI-SEXUAL, I WASN'T A COCAINE SMUGGLER, I DIDN'T KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE I'D BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, I DIDN'T BREAK SOMEONE'S ARM AT SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KITE CHEQUES AND I DIDN'T RAPE JULIE. WHAT OTHER ODIOUS STUFF THEY WROTE I CAN'T RECALL EVEN DURING MY TRIAL THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT I WON'T GO ON. YOU KNOW ME AND WHAT I WAS LIKE AND I DIDN'T WRITE TO CONVINCE YOU OF MY INNOCENCE EVEN THOUGH I AM, JUST WELL WHATEVER


LOVE JEREMY
P.S. I TRULY WISH I COULD HELP YOU. "


SCRUBS PRISON,WEDNESDAY 2 FEBRUARY 1989

DEAR COLIN,

SO YOU DECIDED NOT TO REPLY TO MY LETTER,I WONDER WHY? MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH THAT I DID NOT KILL YOUR CHILDREN OR SHEILA OR MUM AND DAD. HOW SAD,COLIN,THAT YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH REALITY FROM MEDIA HYPE,MISGUIDED POLICE AND MY MONEY-GRABBING RELATIVES. OUT OF EVERYONE I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND BUT INSTEAD YOU'VE MADE YOURSELF A COG IN THE MEDIA WHEEL. THE VERY SAME MEDIA THAT YOU RIDICULE IN THE RADIO TIMES. YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HOW I'VE SUFFERED SINCE SHEILA KILLED MY FAMILY-I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU CARE AND WHY SHOULD YOU,COLIN,WITH YOUR NICE LITTLE BOOK AND YOUR PRETTY LITTLE SCULPTURES POURING OUT YOUR GRIEF TO ANY FILM CREW AROUND-NICE TIMING TOO-EH,-WITH MY APPEAL UP SOON,MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO WAVE A BANNER OUTSIDE THE COURT WITH "JEREMY'S GUILTY BUT I DON'T WANT REVENGE."

GO AND ENJOY YOUR CELEBRITY STATUS,MAYBE YOU'LL BE ON WOGAN NEXT AND CAN ADVERTISE YOUR BOOK AND SCULPTURES THAT WAY-HOW YOU CAN CHEAPEN DANIEL AND NICHOLAS AND THEIR TRAGIC DEATH I JUST DON'T KNOW. NO ONE WANTED ANYTHING OF YOU BEFORE THEN AND NOW THEY'RE GONE YOU'RE USING IT FOR YOUR OWN ENDS-PRETENDING IT'S GRIEF COUNSELLING. YOU WERE ALRIGHT,COLIN,ONCE,BUT NOW I'M SORRY TO SEE YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A LEECH LIVING OFF YOUR OWN SONS' TRAGIC DEATH. IF THEY COULD SEE YOU NOW I BET IT WOULD SICKEN THEM AS IT SICKENS ME...I HOPE YOU LOVE YOURSELF,IN FACT I BET YOU DO. WHAT I WISH IS THAT YOU NEVER GET TO HAVE CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'LL f..k THEM UP TOO-IT WAS YOUR FAULT THAT SHEILA WENT MAD AND KILLED EVERYONE. YOU KNEW SHE WOULD BREAK UNDER THE STRAIN OF BRINGING UP A FAMILY ON HER OWN-YOU DIDN'T CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN EVEN IN THE w..b..

YOU'VE DONE ME MUCH HARM WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF THE MEDIA SO I'D USE THE SAME TO GET MY OWN BACK. LOOK FORWARD TO AN ARTICLE SOON COLIN MAY IT PRICK YOUR CONSCIENCE IF YOU HAVE ONE. YOUR [SIC] NOTHING BUT A LEACH JUST THINK WHAT YOUR [SIC] FEEDING OFF.

WITH VERY MUCH SADNESS

JEREMY

[mrswah]

Why shouldn’t have Colin spoken out? He is one of Jeremy Bamber’s victims too. Both his two little boys were shot dead by Bamber at the age of just six; robbed of their lives and future. Colin’s ex-wife and mother of his children, Sheila, was robbed of her life too. He has more right to speak up than the convicted mass murderer, Jeremy Bamber does. And unlike JB, Colin doesn’t lie, nor is he evil.

He never actually said anything nasty about JB when he was on GMTV; he simply told the truth and said that as ITV were doing the documentary anyway, he felt obliged to accept their request for his input so the full truth came out.

As for it being a “choice”, it was more a necessity so the facts were shown.

Colin never asked the producers to screen the vicious, cruel letters Jeremy CHOSE to write to Colin where he sadistically and slyly tormented him about losing his sons. You should read those letters to get a glimpse into the REAL evil sadistic Jeremy Bamber.

I have never said that Colin should not have spoken out. I was just somewhat surprised that he did, after so many years.