Thoughts On The Case

[Nicholas]

Stop misleading people...they’re not as stupid as you think.

I find a lot of your posts misleading AA and have posted examples of this - but you ignore them; why ?

[Nicholas]

Jeremy became a victim of this vicious scorned woman who thought only of herself and a way out.  She did what she was supposed to do.  That’s was the deal.

Have you ever considered that you may come across as a ‘vicious scorned women’ AA and that what you say of JM are your projections ?

[Aunt Agatha]

Don’t know how many murder trials you’ve attended nor whether or not you’ve ever spoken to Mr Rivlin but witnesses often cry whilst given evidence in court in cases like this AA
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I’ve not attended any, however that is irrelevant.

Rivlin made an explicit point as to how he found it near impossible her to cross examine her due to her cracking up and breaking down (my words but his views seeming) under the strain.

She was crying because she was bloody lying....she couldn’t stop once she had started.  She knew were it was going and she was in pieces. 

That’s more plausible.

[Nicholas]

Jeremy became a victim of this vicious scorned woman who thought only of herself and a way out.  She did what she was supposed to do.  That’s was the deal.

There’s no evidence of JM having gaslighted anyone

But there’s a wealth of evidence Bamber’s gaslighting and manipulation are second nature to him

[Nicholas]

I’ve not attended any, however that is irrelevant.

Rivlin made an explicit point as to how he found it near impossible her to cross examine her due to her cracking up and breaking down (my words but his views seeming) under the strain.

She was crying because she was bloody lying....she couldn’t stop once she had started.  She knew were it was going and she was in pieces. 

That’s more plausible.

Now you are being silly AA

Do you cry when your lying ?

[Aunt Agatha]

Good point, Caroline

Why would police officers who had no/little knowledge of firearms think to look for a silencer, especially as the rifle on Sheila’s lap appeared intact?

They even admitted they didn’t do a thorough search; they just took what they spotted when they looked around

That’s quite a ridiculous point!

[Nicholas]

Rivlin made an explicit point as to how he found it near impossible her to cross examine her due to her cracking up and breaking down (my words but his views seeming) under the strain.

She was clearly upset and most probably traumatised as I’ve said before AA

She may well have been experiencing a wealth of emotions, including guilt for having not recognised Bamber’s previous comments about killing his family were not throw away comments but that he intended on carrying them out

[Aunt Agatha]

Did you hear that, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, they 'didn't do a thorough search'. What a pathetic response. Who else should we get to do a thorough search, I wonder? An open day maybe? Bring a cake and search a room? Now why would that be, you may ask yourselves, no thorough search? Could it be, perhaps, that the police were BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE (shouting like Ispy does for effect) for many. many days. And then, ladies and gentlemen, members of the accused's family turn up mob handed during those intervening days, rifle through the house, taking any baubles they thought might make a few quid, and stumble upon a PIVOTAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE (more shouting) that the police apparently WEREN'T LOOKING FOR because they thought Sheila overpowered Nevill, killed everyone and shot herself TTWWIICCEE!!
No further questions, your honour.

I think that’s more like than what Ispy proposed. 

[Aunt Agatha]

Why would he have thought that - how would SC have shot herself with ‘a silencer attached’ ?   

She didn’t!!

[Nicholas]

She didn’t!!

Of course she didn’t

Bamber murdered his family

But you choose to not see it because you cannot admit he groomed and conned you

[Nicholas]

Jeremy became a victim of this vicious scorned woman

There’s no evidence of JM being ‘vicious’ or ‘scorned’ Aunt Agatha

But there’s a wealth of evidence showing Bamber was and is


What’s vicious or scorned about what JM has written here Aunt Agatha ?

“In the cafe we started talking and I asked him what was going on in respect of our relationship. He said it had already been sold out.
I told him he was selfish and that I couldn’t let him get away with hurting people anymore. He said, ‘you mean I either confess; going to the police or I carry on the relationship with you’
He thought I was giving him an alternative.
We discussed our relationship further and basically he could have freedom and do what he wanted to do 

[Nicholas]

Rivlin made an explicit point as to how he found it near impossible her to cross examine her due to her cracking up and breaking down (my words but his views seeming) under the strain.

She was crying because she was bloody lying....

She clearly wasn’t AA

“In the cafe we started talking and I asked him what was going on in respect of our relationship. He said it had already been sold out.
I told him he was selfish and that I couldn’t let him get away with hurting people anymore. He said, ‘you mean I either confess; going to the police or I carry on the relationship with you’
He thought I was giving him an alternative.
We discussed our relationship further and basically he could have freedom and do what he wanted to do 

[Nicholas]

Rivlin made an explicit point as to how he found it near impossible her to cross examine her due to her cracking up and breaking down (my words but his views seeming) under the strain.

She was crying because she was bloody lying....

Bamber was lying to Julie about numerous things though AA and I suspect you know this

He started a relationship with Anji Greaves 2 days after the funerals and never once did he tell Julie the truth about this- therefore if she didn’t know how could she be ‘scorned’ ?

Plus she said she told him - he could have his freedom

“In the cafe we started talking and I asked him what was going on in respect of our relationship. He said it had already been sold out.
I told him he was selfish and that I couldn’t let him get away with hurting people anymore. He said, ‘you mean I either confess; going to the police or I carry on the relationship with you’
He thought I was giving him an alternative.
We discussed our relationship further and basically he could have freedom and do what he wanted to do 

[Aunt Agatha]

She was clearly upset and most probably traumatised as I’ve said before AA

She may well have been experiencing a wealth of emotions, including guilt for having not recognised Bamber’s previous comments about killing his family were not throw away comments but that he intended on carrying them out

Traumatised yes, I agree.  But not by Jeremy, other than her dumping her if that would cause trauma, but by the lies and crap she had to spill out under oath.

If he had not been found guilty, that’s would be really traumatic for her, as she’d be found out to be lying under oath.  She looking at prison.

Yes, it was very traumatic for her and not for the ridiculous reasons you guys are spouting out here.

[Nicholas]

Traumatised yes, I agree.  But not by Jeremy, other than her dumping her if that would cause trauma, but by the lies and crap she had to spill out under oath.

If he had not been found guilty, that’s would be really traumatic for her, as she’d be found out to be lying under oath.  She looking at prison.

Yes, it was very traumatic for her and not for the ridiculous reasons you guys are spouting out here.

Julie Mugford wasn’t dumped as you suggest she was Aunt Agatha - she’d had enough of his selfish, hurtful personality

Here is what she stated,

“In the cafe we started talking and I asked him what was going on in respect of our relationship. He said it had already been sold out.
I told him he was selfish and that I couldn’t let him get away with hurting people anymore. He said, ‘you mean I either confess; going to the police or I carry on the relationship with you’
He thought I was giving him an alternative.
We discussed our relationship further and basically he could have freedom and do what he wanted to do