Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Who did Charles Marsden call - Bamber ?

Three interviews is suspicious...the police definitely smelt a rat with him

[ISpyWithMyEye]

There’s definitely far more to this Charles Marsden/Bamber story - things aren’t adding up - or are they

Did Bamber really walk this girl home and was it during this alleged walk home that he told Sarah he’d told Julie?

I wonder what Sarah’s surname is/was, Nichola?

I bet she hasn’t forgotten what happened that night...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I cannot accept that, as this is quite disturbing too, that Jeremy supposedly date raped a woman, next to his sleeping friend who woke up during the said rape.

Its despicable and it needs further investigation.

If the evidence backed this up, then I would definitely review my position.

However, stating that. I am of the belief, 99.99% that Julie lied, throughout her testamony.

These are very serious accusations and if wrong, I would expect JB or the CT to be following this up.

This could damage his support network and the CT need to do everything within its power to dismiss these claims,as unreliable at the very least.

I do not visit the CT site, therefore I am serious when I ask 'Have they done this?'

But Sarah told Julie what happened, Ag

And Charles backed it up in his police statement, albeit he omitted some of the details ...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No, no, no, these are not facts!

How many bedroom were in the house?

How many beds were in the house at the time?

Was one bedroom being used for storage or anything similar, therefore unusable?

Did Jeremy know beforehand (without question), did he state in previous statements that he knew CM was sleeping in another room when he was questioned about this?

It's not the norm, but what has been throughout this whole case?  if Jeremy was 'open' about his sexuality, or rather not embarrassed or shy about his sexual performance in front of others...(and many people are very open, it neither makes them murderers or abusers) then he may not have realised CM was in the bed upon him entering it immediately, but recognised he was a very short time later, but carried on?

This does not make his actions to be as perverse as one makes it out to be.

I’ve not read anywhere that Charles Marsden was a midget, so it’s highly unlikely Jeremy didn’t spot him in his bed when he put Sarah into it, and then hopped in too

I’d also hazard a guess that JB only had a double bed: the house looks small, and back in the 1980s double beds were the norm. I have a super-king bed and I’d certainly spot someone laying in it — even if they were a Pygmy. So Jeremy not noticing Charles in his bed (and for no apparent reason 😳) doesn’t wash.

Also, Charles intended to drive home and sleep there the night, so what was he doing in Jeremy’s bed? That’s rather rude in my opinion. Fancy having two friends round for drinks and then one just walks upstairs and gets into your bed without you knowing? Why didn’t Jeremy tell Charles to get out?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I concur that there's obviously a background to the immediacy of the words in print, but what does it have to do with Jeremy's conviction?

It’s totally separate from when Jeremy murdered his family, but the girl, Sarah — whose account is backed-up to some degree by CM himself who was there — describes it as a date-rape situation. She had no recollection of going upstairs, getting undressed, or getting into bed. She just remembered waking up to find Jeremy having intercourse with her.

Therefore, he had sex with her not just without her consent, but it sounds like he drugged her in order to do so.

Whilst that doesn’t have anything to do with the murders, it’s another insight into his character which shows the lengths he’s prepared to go to in order to get what he wants; the sheer disregard, disrespect he has for people; his lack of moral compass; his lack of decency and normal feelings for people

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I'm playing Devil's Advocate. There's a lot of unsubstantiated claims knocking around. And more than a smattering of nuanced homophobia.

Besides, so Anj and Virginia make different claims; how does this affect anything?

I haven’t seen any homophobic comments on here.

We’re simply repeating what was stated at the time: that Jeremy was unfaithful to Julie; promiscuous; and have named his alleged lovers, some of whom were men. What’s wrong with that?

The only homophobe was DCI Taff Jones, who said in that Welsh warble of his: “I think Jeremy’s a poofter, myself”

[G-Unit]

It’s totally separate from when Jeremy murdered his family, but the girl, Sarah — whose account is backed-up to some degree by CM himself who was there — describes it as a date-rape situation. She had no recollection of going upstairs, getting undressed, or getting into bed. She just remembered waking up to find Jeremy having intercourse with her.

Therefore, he had sex with her not just without her consent, but it sounds like he drugged her in order to do so.

Whilst that doesn’t have anything to do with the murders, it’s another insight into his character which shows the lengths he’s prepared to go to in order to get what he wants; the sheer disregard, disrespect he has for people; his lack of moral compass; his lack of decency and normal feelings for people

This girl went back to the house alone with two men. In the 1980's women were still expected to make sensible decisions for themselves and that wasn't one. In my opinion she fancied Bamber and had a go at taking him from Julie. That wasn't very nice, was it?

[APRIL]

I haven’t seen any homophobic comments on here.

We’re simply repeating what was stated at the time: that Jeremy was unfaithful to Julie; promiscuous; and have named his alleged lovers, some of whom were men. What’s wrong with that?

The only homophobe was DCI Taff Jones, who said in that Welsh warble of his: “I think Jeremy’s a poofter, myself”

I think such was fairly endemic of the police force as it was in the 1980's.

[APRIL]

This girl went back to the house alone with two men. In the 1980's women were still expected to make sensible decisions for themselves and that wasn't one. In my opinion she fancied Bamber and had a go at taking him from Julie. That wasn't very nice, was it?

That's a more than reasonable theory. After all, isn't all supposed to be fair in love and war?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

This girl went back to the house alone with two men. In the 1980's women were still expected to make sensible decisions for themselves and that wasn't one. In my opinion she fancied Bamber and had a go at taking him from Julie. That wasn't very nice, was it?

Women weren’t expected to make sensible decisions just in the 1980s, Gunit...

But why would it be deemed dangerous to go back with a male friend to his house for after-closing drinks? He’d also invited her friend AND her mother — which was a very crafty move. It instilled confidence. He probably guessed the friend and the mother were tired and knew they’d go home instead. Had they agreed to come too, they’d have simply had a few drinks so he could show off his teletext TV, new Hi-Fi, and snazzy coffee machine and then called a cab to take them home.

So Sarah would have felt confident, not just because she knew him, but because he’d also invited her or her friend’s mother too. He lulled her into a false sense of security.

I don’t know why you think she fancied Jeremy Bamber, Gunit. He wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea, you know, and although he wasn’t ugly he certainly didn’t have ravishing good looks like a movie star. He seemed to have nice hair, though...but the mono-brow wasn’t a good look. He didn’t seem to have any sex appeal or presence at all, I read. He was just a gobby, arrogant, boring braggart with strange eyes, apparently...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

That's a more than reasonable theory. After all, isn't all supposed to be fair in love and war?

I can’t think of one woman who would try and pinch a man by claiming he’d date-raped her.

That’s hardly going to entice him into your arms FGS!

There’s people like Gunit doubting Julie AND doubting Sarah...

Like, everyone lied except him...talk about being DELUDED.

[APRIL]

I can’t think of one woman who would try and pinch a man by claiming he’d date-raped her.

That’s hardly going to entice him into your arms FGS!

There’s people like Gunit doubting Julie AND doubting Sarah...

Like, everyone lied except him...talk about being DELUDED.

Nor I, but I doubt she had date-rape in mind when she went back to the house with him. More like, after a night of passion he'd prefer her, to Julie.

[G-Unit]

Women weren’t expected to make sensible decisions just in the 1980s, Gunit...

But why would it be deemed dangerous to go back with a male friend to his house for after-closing drinks? He’d also invited her friend AND her mother — which was a very crafty move. It instilled confidence. He probably guessed the friend and the mother were tired and knew they’d go home instead. Had they agreed to come too, they’d have simply had a few drinks so he could show off his teletext TV, new Hi-Fi, and snazzy coffee machine and then called a cab to take them home.

So Sarah would have felt confident, not just because she knew him, but because he’d also invited her or her friend’s mother too. He lulled her into a false sense of security.

I don’t know why you think she fancied Jeremy Bamber, Gunit. He wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea, you know, and although he wasn’t ugly he certainly didn’t have ravishing good looks like a movie star. He seemed to have nice hair, though...but the mono-brow wasn’t a good look. He didn’t seem to have any sex appeal or presence at all, I read. He was just a gobby, arrogant, boring braggart with strange eyes, apparently...

I meant as opposed to today when a woman who's been drinking is assumed to be unable to make decisions. [See the Ched Evans case]

If you can speculate about Bamber's motives I can speculate about the girl's motives. She wouldn't be the first to sleep with someone else's boyfriend or the first to realise that she was just a one-night stand.

I think a reasonable number of women found him attractive judging by how many slept with him.

[Holly Goodhead]

If 'Sarah' suffered some sort of sexual assault why didn't she report it to the police at the time or later when he was charged with the murders?

[Holly Goodhead]

I’ve not read anywhere that Charles Marsden was a midget, so it’s highly unlikely Jeremy didn’t spot him in his bed when he put Sarah into it, and then hopped in too

I’d also hazard a guess that JB only had a double bed: the house looks small, and back in the 1980s double beds were the norm. I have a super-king bed and I’d certainly spot someone laying in it — even if they were a Pygmy. So Jeremy not noticing Charles in his bed (and for no apparent reason 😳) doesn’t wash.

Also, Charles intended to drive home and sleep there the night, so what was he doing in Jeremy’s bed? That’s rather rude in my opinion. Fancy having two friends round for drinks and then one just walks upstairs and gets into your bed without you knowing? Why didn’t Jeremy tell Charles to get out?

There was talk, admittedly from JB, of NB/June 'encouraging' SC and the twins to move back to Essex with the option of moving into JB's cottage.  (Yes I know another reason for him to murder them).  So I'm guessing the cottage was a reasonable size to accommodate a small family.